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Butler is the second coming of Beno Udrih?
We still haven't dealt with the first one.
It sucks that Butler appears to not care because he is talented. He was a flake in highschool but I was hoping that he got back on track. Obviously he hasn't because missing shooting around for oversleeping or whatever is just unacceptable here in San Antonio. Ask Devin Brown.
Butler is the second coming of Beno Udrih?
We still haven't dealt with the first one.
Just my opinion, but when guys miss practice, it ain't because they're oversleeping. They may be overdoing something else, but sleep?
Come on, at 20 why would you not be able to wake up in time for a shootaround? Maybe you've got too much money and are burning the candle at both ends?
I know that when Devin was here, he overslept and was late for practice/shootaround from time to time.
the guys 21.
Give the kid a ing break.
You think it's okay that he's apparently late and lazy?
At least he was extremely apologetic and stayed for extra work, so it's not like he doesn't care at all.
Of course I don't know his personal life so I have no clue if him missing the shootaround is rare or if he's been lazy on all fronts or what.
Weren't you the one with a "zero tolerance" policy on iness for your employees in that thread in the Club?
Well in high school, I think he was flaky and lazy. He transferred schools a couple times because of some off the court stuff I think (I'll go look it up) ... and then he committed to a college, but backed out and opted to try the NBA (I think that was a grades issue).
is this the first time that this happens?
A Spur doesn't "fit in" and is traded away. Of course by coincidence, it would also put the Spurs under the luxury tax threshold.
If the Spurs give away Butler without getting quality back, it'd be a bad trade. He's probably the best young player in the Spurs' pipeline and now the Spurs are giving up on him?
The Spurs knew he had a lot of growing up to do when they signed him. He didn't play in college and didn't even play much in high school. He dropped out of the draft because of character issues. Being on the Knicks didn't solve any of those issues.
Butler being late is inexcusable, but it's not enough to trade him away to salary dump his contract. I want to see what he can do in summer league and in training camp next year after a full year in the Spurs' system.
He's a low-risk, high-reward player at this point. At worse, he doesn't work out and the Spurs can trade him one year from now. At that point, his value will be higher because a team could take a three month look at him before they decide whether or not to pick up the team option.
If Butler buys into everything and starts to grow up, he has the talents to be a good player in this league. Trading him away now for nothing makes no sense.
I will have to disagree with you there timvp. Being late is the excuse....
...and that's the reason. It's amazing how overnight an otherwise valuable player morphs into an insurbordinate fat lazy slob in San Antonio. You'd think that every other player was the model of perfection. I mean, I'm really ing glad that Oberto makes it to practice on time. Who knows how bad he'd suck if he didn't...A Spur doesn't "fit in" and is traded away. Of course by coincidence, it would also put the Spurs under the luxury tax threshold.
What value?an otherwise valuable player
Considering that every other bigman who can walk and not fall down in the NBA eventually ends up with a long term decimillion deal, fairly valuable.
The Spurs are not in a position to be giving up young bigman talent for nothing.
Has Butler done anything as a Spur to warrant all this hand wringing?
Had Jack in 2001-02?
Ha. No.
Much more than Butler for 1/10 the price.
Which isn't saying much. None of White, Butler, or Mahinmi are terribly interesting as prospects and have only marginal chances of panning out in this league, with Sanikidze not even being on the map. Being king of this motley lot ain't saying a whole lot and I'd venture that whoever the Spurs get at #27 this summer will be better than any of them.
Ultimately I agree it is somewhat risky to give up on a 21 year old big man, but not prohibitively so -- depends on what we get back.
Don't venture too far now...
You're statement isn't exactly bold and "out-there" considering this is potentially the deepest draft in years and the Spurs have legitimate needs to address, rather than taking a flyer on one of the prospects you mentioned....still I'll wait and see who the Spurs draft, you never know with the Spurs FO....
Last edited by AFBlue; 02-22-2007 at 10:44 AM.
Well, I have to couch my enthusiasm with the understanding the Spurs might go ahead and 'be ahead of the curve' and draft some Bengali who seems mobile enough, who has never touched a basketball but plays some related game.Don't venture too far now...
You're statement isn't exactly bold and "out-there" considering this is potentially the deepest draft in years and the Spurs have legitimate needs to address, rather than taking a flyer on one of the prospects you mentioned.
Yeah, agreed. I was just messing with you. As you'll see with my edit, I tend to have a wait-and-see approach with the Spurs FO on draft day decisions...
You could qualify you're statement like this:
Whoever the Spurs COULD get at #27 will likely be better than any of those three prospects.
Absolutely true. Butler is like a miniature Corey Maggette around these parts as far as being overrated goes.
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