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Actually he starts for them when T-Lue is injured....which shows you just how much they think of their off-season acquisition Speedy Claxton. Royal Ivey is a third-string type and is clearly getting minutes for lack of a better option....
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Well....at least he USED TO start when T-Lue was injured. Now that they got Anthony Johnson from the Mavs, Speedy has moved into the starting lineup and AJ has gotten the majority of the minutes. It's probably for the best, Ivey is a third-string type anyways...
So what players do you have available? I'm sure the Lakers would like to trade with you guys. What do you need. Who would you guys be willing to trade?
Kwame Brown played HS ball in Atlanta, it's clear the future C of the Lakers is Bynum, and the Hawks are hurting for a legitimate Center (starting Lorenzen Wright and playing Zaza there for 30+ minutes isn't working).
The Hawks probably wouldn't give up one of their wings for him though, so either the Lakers would have to throw in an additional piece, or they would have to accept a future pick and the salary cap relief that the Hawks would provide by taking Kwame's contract straight up, or creating one of those "exceptions" so the Lakers could go out and get a player of Brown's equal contract value (not sure how this works or if it's really possible).
Having said that, Billy Knight is too stupid to add a legitimate defensive center or pass-first point guard, and the ownership is too wary of making long-term investments when the situation is in flux.
I think that's the player with the best fit though...
Last edited by AFBlue; 03-02-2007 at 04:28 PM.
All I know is that the Hawks better not ever get rid of Marvin, that guy is going to be a monster
As good as Marvin will be (and I think he'll be a third or fourth year bloomer like Deng), I think he's the primary candidate to go if the ownership gets turned over and Billy Knight gets fired.
Williams, because of his potential and his ability to play the 3 and 4 (though he plays the 4 now more than he should), would probably get the most in return and is producing the least of the young SF-types currently on the roster.
For Marvin's sake, I hope he's the one to get traded. With Josh Smith playing the exact same position (better) and duplicating Marvin's abilities, I don't see Marvin as ever really "breaking out". As previously mentioned, he is forced to play and guard the 4 spot too often and gets abused.
Hawks main problem is their management and their drafting "skills" They continually get forwards that they don't need. They've needed a good PG for a while, Speedy and Tyron aren't cutting it. The fact that they passed over Chris Paul must haunt them as it should. They've got some young talent they just don't know how to use it. They need a couple more pieces-PG and better C, and they might actually get somewhere.
Hey Tony, how was the weather in your area? I know tornadoes hit further south but those storms were crazy!
Well actually next year Kwame will be a $10 million expiring contract. So he will actually be a valuable trading piece. Depends what happens at the end of the year and playoffs. If he plays well it will up his value even more. I like Josh Childress though what's up with him.
Crazy high gusts of wind, pelting rain and hail against the house through most of the night. There were plenty of tornado warnings, mostly in surrounding counties just to the north, but no touchdowns in my area that I was aware of. Still....I got no sleep.Hey Tony, how was the weather in your area? I know tornadoes hit further south but those storms were crazy!
On your Hawks assessment, which we've discussed before, I totally agree.
Yeah, saw that about Kwame when I did a little research after posting. The reason I didn't edit the post is that Kwame is honestly the only player I can see that has value to the Hawks...other than Kobe that is.
While Kwame's $$ come off the books in summer 08, the Hawks could potentially swing a deal where they take on his contract this summer and essentially create a $9M exception for the Lakers to use, or not use, on a player in free agency. Basically the Lakers would trade Kwame and give themselves the opportunity to grab a guy like Gerald Wallace. Again, I don't know if this "exception" deal is automatic, but I know something to this effect occured with the Pacers and Hornets, which is how Indiana was able to sign Al Harrington.
On Childress....He is a scrappy player with a horrible looking shot that seems to fall most of the time. He plays SG for the Hawks, but is more of a SF type and should guard 3s. He doesn't have as much upside as the other young wing players on the Hawks, but the coaches and FO love his intensity and work ethic.
Well I guess we don't make good trade partners. We have Kwame's expiring, some young players (Farmar, Turiaf), and picks to trade. Looks like you guys don't need any expirings or young players. Just the opposite you guys are looking to pick up a big player. I like Childress he should end up being a good player. But he looks like the odd man out. I also think he can be had for a reasonable price. That's why I asked about him.
You make an assumption that would normally be true....but Billy Knight is FAR from reasonable.
Childress might be the guy that goes when the Hawks finally decide to make a move, and my guess is that they'd take on a proven point guard or center in return, of which the Lakers have neither.
J-Smoove last night (2 Mar) against the Wizards...
24pts, 14rebs, 7blks, 2asts, 2stls
Marvin Williams (21pts, 6rebs) and J-Chill (16pts, 8rebs) also had good games. But, when three PGs play and go a combined 1-10 from the floor, it doesn't matter.
Unfortunately I think this is true too. I really think he'll be something special, but when Billy Knight gets shipped out of town, I think Marvin Williams will be the scapegoat and the "face" of what has been going wrong for the Hawks lately, mainly only because of how well Chris Paul is playing in comparison.
I think it would be their biggest mistake yet to let him go, though.
Well I doubt you could get that for him. Proven point guards and centers are not that easy to get. Your best bet would be to trade one of the other players, package him for a big name, or spend some money and sign a free-agent.
I bet they could snag Bibby from the Kings with one of the SF. They could probably also get Miller from the 76ers. Baron Davis of the Warriors, Luke Ridnour/Earl Watson of Sonics, Jamal Tinsley (Pacers), and they could probably get Marbury/Francis from the Knicks.
Center is more difficult because there just aren't that many available (via trade or free agency), which is why they should tank the rest of the season and pray for the #1 pick (Oden).
Bottom line is that the Hawks could significantly improve their team if they were willing to trade away one of their young guys to do it. But as of now, they aren't willing, so they won't improve significantly.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270307001 Just when I thought they were purposely tanking to keep Phoenix from grabbing their 1st rounder, they do something like this.
Very nice. Especially with no Johnson or Marvin. Hotel Zaza played great. There are times when that guy looks like he could develop into another Pau Gasol. Other times he looks godawful. I guess that's the problem with just about every youngster on this team tho.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2791587
. joe johnson's season could be finished. maybe this team will be in the greg oden sweepstakes after all.
Could make the Hawks for the rest of this season unbearable to watch (well they were close before then), but it does bode well for their chances to get a top 3 spot. The problem is, unless the Hawks get the #1 spot and draft Oden, there are a bunch of soft, skinny PF types (and Durant) that don't fit a need for the Hawks. No PG is worth a top 3 pick and no C outside of Oden is either. I think in this situation they would have to take the best player available and then explore trade options....
They had an awesome game last nite, I was there and Gil was very frustrated. They were blocking everything and Zaza played great. They had 3 starters out and still managed to win, although the Wizs looked very tired and played like it for the most part, they got energized toward the end of the 4th but then it was too late. I guess having that B2B and coming form Toronto was too much for them.
Zaza is far and away the best acquisition of the Billy Knight era. I know Joe Johnson is an all-star, but they had to give up two first-round picks and pay him all-star money. Zaza came for a mere $4M a season and just turned 23 years old. I know he's still inconsistent, but he can be a decent starter in this league for years.
BTW, Chad Ford said in a round-a-bout way that Spencer Hawes and Joakim Noah were the best fits (outside of Oden of course).
If the Hawks don't win the Oden/Durant sweepstakes, I'd love to see Noah go there. Of course, this is going to create even more of a logjam at forward, but at that point they'd have some serious trading chips to get that PG they need.
Yeah that'd be the smart thing to do. Too bad Billy Knight isn't smart. He'd probably reach for a guy like Josh McRoberts. But the courtroom talk is ongoing in Maryland. I can only hope that Steve Belkin wins out and fires that sorry sack of crap before the June draft.
Josh Smith with 32pts last night. This kid is special....
Too bad they had to win the game as well. I'm sure they'll place themselves out of the running for a top 3 pick with just decent enough play...
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