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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Hey...at least she's easier on the eyes than Michael Moore...and less biased.
    less biased?..... Brahahahahahahaha!!!

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    So, is the left as upset at Bill Maher for wishing the assassination attempt on Vice President Cheney had succeeded?

    Probably not.

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    Cheney actuall merits impeachment and assassination, at least of his character, for all the crimes he has committed, starting with his lies about Iraq.

    Edwards has done what? other than not be a pissed off, over-the-top right-winger?

    Maher is primarily a comedian, jokes are his trade. Only Coulter is calling her got statement a joke.

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    So, is the left as upset at Bill Maher for wishing the assassination attempt on Vice President Cheney had succeeded?

    Probably not.
    Did you watch that Bill Maher episode, or have the blogs told you to be angry at him?

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Did you watch that Bill Maher episode, or have the blogs told you to be angry at him?
    Actually, I saw a transcript of his comments.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    Actually, I saw a transcript of his comments.
    Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post – and these weren’t even the bloggers, these were just the comments section – who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Cheney failed.

    Joe Scarborough: Right.

    Maher: Now…

    John Ridley: More than regret.

    Maher: Well, what did they say?

    Ridley: They said “We wish he would die.” I mean, it was (?) hate language.

    Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)

    Maher: That’s a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn’t China, shouldn’t you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away?

    After some discussion about why Huffington should or shouldn’t have taken these comments down, the following occurred:

    Ridley: It’s one thing to say you hate Cheney, which applies to his politics. It’s another thing to say, “I’m sorry he didn’t die in an explosion." And I think, you know…

    Maher: But you should be able to say it. And by the way...

    Frank: Excuse me, Bill, but can I ask you a question? Do you decide what the topics are for this show?

    Maher: Yeah, I decide the topics, they don’t go there.

    Frank: But you exercise control over the show the way that she does over her blog.

    Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)

    Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say…

    Frank: I think he did.

    Scarborough: Okay. Did you say…

    Maher: No, no. I quoted that.

    Frank: You don’t believe that?

    Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.
    There is no "regret" or "wish fulfillment" involved in those statements. You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

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    There is no "regret" or "wish fulfillment" involved in those statements. You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills.
    Said in the context of defending those who were saying just that on Huffington, is no different.

    C'mon, you don't see agreement with the Huffington commenters that wished the Vice President had been killed?

    Maybe you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    Said in the context of defending those who were saying just that on Huffington, is no different.

    C'mon, you don't see agreement with the Huffington commenters that wished the Vice President had been killed?

    Maybe you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
    Pretty hypocritical coming from someone who went ape when ChumperDumper called you on your Saddamm-9/11 connection comments, claiming your words weren't properly parsed.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    Said in the context of defending those who were saying just that on Huffington, is no different.
    He was defending their right to say it, and Bill Maher has consistently defended free speech for everyone, including Ann Coulter, who was a frequent guest of Bill Maher's for many years before the creation of FNC.

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    Said in the context of defending those who were saying just that on Huffington, is no different.

    C'mon, you don't see agreement with the Huffington commenters that wished the Vice President had been killed?

    Maybe you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
    So supporting a First Amendment argument for allowing people to say that they wish the Vice President had been killed is now tantamount to having taken that position for himself? That's quite a stretch. He didn't even expressly agree with the posters, except to state a belief that if Cheney died, the war in Iraq might end (or end sooner) and that lives would be saved.

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    So supporting a First Amendment argument for allowing people to say that they wish the Vice President had been killed is now tantamount to having taken that position for himself? That's quite a stretch. He didn't even expressly agree with the posters, except to state a belief that if Cheney died, the war in Iraq might end (or end sooner) and that lives would be saved.
    And then saying that things would be better if he were dead. Yeah. That's tantamount to having taken that position for himself.

    Oh, and he didn't state a belief, he said it was a FACT that lives would be saved if Cheney were dead. That's tantamount to inciting assassination.

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    "Have to check the film" PixelPusher's Avatar
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    That's tantamount to inciting assassination.
    More irresponsible and unqualified legal opinions from Yoni.

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    That's tantamount to inciting assassination.
    Wake me when the indictments come out.

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    Coulter is an idiot (and so is Maher, albeit, a funny one).

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    And then saying that things would be better if he were dead. Yeah. That's tantamount to having taken that position for himself.

    Oh, and he didn't state a belief, he said it was a FACT that lives would be saved if Cheney were dead. That's tantamount to inciting assassination.
    Why couldn't he consider that to be a fact? After all, there are certainly are reports to suggest that without Cheney, there would have been no war. I suppose that now I'll be deemed to have incited assassination, too.

    You sure do take a broad view of other people's words while taking a ridiculously cabined reading of your own.

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    Traitor!

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    Why couldn't he consider that to be a fact?
    Because it's unknowable.

    After all, there are certainly are reports to suggest that without Cheney, there would have been no war. I suppose that now I'll be deemed to have incited assassination, too.
    Suggestions aren't facts. Facts are facts.

    Well, if you're defending those commenters and saying that it is a fact that if Cheney were dead, we'd be better off; yeah, that's tantamount to inciting assassination.

    You sure do take a broad view of other people's words while taking a ridiculously cabined reading of your own.
    Except that Maher stated as fact a positive consequence to Cheney being dead and, did so in defense of those who promoted that.

    I've never stated anything as fact that I did not know to be fact.

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    I don't know why anybody would take Coulter seriously, except if you're a WASP.

    Chances are if this were the 1880's or the 1960's she'd be wearing a white hood and also would hold the world record of lynches.

    Basically, what I'm saying: she is a joke.

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    next thing you know they we will be outlawing the phrases Illegal Alien! and thats gay!

    that my friends is gay...

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    You and Coulter are at opposite ends of the idealogical spectrum
    Pretty narrow spectrum you've got there.

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    Pretty narrow spectrum you've got there.
    The narrow spectrum is for the narrow-minded, and they are there by choice.


    (thanks for the setup Bob)

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    Coulter is a dirty

    you do dirty s a disservice when you compare them to m-ann coulter. come on man think!

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    Because it's unknowable.


    Suggestions aren't facts. Facts are facts.

    Well, if you're defending those commenters and saying that it is a fact that if Cheney were dead, we'd be better off; yeah, that's tantamount to inciting assassination.


    Except that Maher stated as fact a positive consequence to Cheney being dead and, did so in defense of those who promoted that.

    I've never stated anything as fact that I did not know to be fact.

    So if I agree that we are better of the Saddam is dead because it will save lives it's ok but I can't feel the same way about 5 deferrment ? Cheney wanted war even is it was unecesary. If he were not VP then we may not have ended up with hundred's of thousands of dead folks. If he were no longer VP I believe it would save more lives than lost. Am I advocating assassination? Or stating a fact?

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    We have to know if it would save lives if Cheney were dead. We're obligated now. Consider it a science project.

    Let's kill him, so that others can live. Or not. The conclusion to this experiment will reveal the truth.

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    So if I agree that we are better of the Saddam is dead because it will save lives it's ok but I can't feel the same way about 5 deferrment ?
    Correct. Saddam Hussein isn't your sitting Vice President and, secondly, things are demonstrably better now that Saddam Hussein is dead; it's no longer a hypothesis.

    Cheney wanted war even is it was unecesary. If he were not VP then we may not have ended up with hundred's of thousands of dead folks. If he were no longer VP I believe it would save more lives than lost. Am I advocating assassination? Or stating a fact?
    First things first; you're not stating any facts. You're stating a belief in something that is unknowable; that things would be better if Cheney were not Vice President. He is Vice President so, suppositions about what things would be without him being in that office can't be facts.

    Second, Nowhere in your damn-near-illiterate paragraph did you say anything about the Vice President being dead; you merely hypothesized things would be better if he weren't Vice President. That's a perfectly fair, if wrong, statement to make.

    Not true for Maher. He specifically stated things would be better if the Vice President were dead.

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