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TIMVP just cant bring himself to come over to the darkside.
Granted, he stayed with him better than Rasho or Nazr could ever dream to, but that's about it. McGrady toyed with him on the perimeter.
TIMVP just cant bring himself to come over to the darkside.
Compared to who? Finley? Barry? Anyone else we have tried to guard him with the last 3 years?
I've given him props in this thread. I'm not going to name him a McGrady stopper, however.
TIMVP just cant bring himself to come over to the darkside.
I'm not saying he's a McGrady stopper either, nor am I saying we should put Elson out there and lock him on TMac...but it's relative to what anyone else does on him. If have to pick I saw enough tonight to want Elson on him in a pinch over anyone else outside of Bowen or perhaps Manu.
The one thing I have been consistenlty impressed with about Elson is how fast he is...even when he gets beat on the perimter he still closes to the basket almost instantly and makes the shot an uncomfortable one...Elson is definitely the X factor on this years team.
7 feet extemely fast athletic and coordinated...Elson was a steal.
Put a gun to my head, I'd guard McGrady with the players in this order:
Bowen
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Ginobili
Finley
Vaughn
Elson
Parker
Horry
Bonner
Oberto
Duncan
Butler
Beno
Coach Bud
The Coyote
Barry
Nahh...I'd take ol' 2! over Beno.
Agreed. That's the one thing we knew he could bring to the table. As of late, he's done a better job of making his speed more useful to the team.
I want him to show up more than once every other week, though. Between this game and the Detroit game, he hadn't done much of anything. He shows flashes of potential, but he's far from a savior at this point. I'm still not convinced that when the chips are down, Pop trusts Elson more than he trusts small ball.
at the coyote better defender than barry..
And that's what is scary.
Say no to small ball.
Elson has also picked up a ton of fouls early. He's very prone to get into early foul trouble which s up his playing stats. Too be fair - I'm not sure any other Spur has gotten the shaft as much as Elson from the in the 1st quarter. He's gotten in foul trouble with some HORRIBLE calls.
For the month of February, Elson averaged five points and four rebounds if you take out his Detroit explosion. Just about any human on earth who is seven-feet tall would put up comparable numbers next to the other four starters the Spurs have.
I don't think it's asking too much for more consistent play out of Elson ... especially considering that he's a McGrady stopping steal.
5 and 4? That's damn near Mohammovich-esque.For the month of February, Elson averaged five points and four rebounds if you take out his Detroit explosion. Just about any human on earth who is seven-feet tall would put up comparable numbers next to the other four starters the Spurs have.
I don't think it's asking too much for more consistent play out of Elson ... especially considering that he's a McGrady stopping steal.
for Elson
Mohammovich.
13 and 8.
Respect
True enough, but how many numbers are available with Tim working the boards and the Big Three handling the scoring? If there are twelve rebounds available when Tim and Elson are playing together, who is supposed to grab them? Should they each have six during that time? Is Elson not performing well if Tim happens to grab them, or is Elson boxing out well?
I'm not saying I know the answers to these questions, but I don't think it's fair to use the usual numbers when evaluating role players. Their minutes fluctuate and their role changes from game to game.
Elson usually loses his rebounds to his opponents, not Tim. He's so thin that pretty much anyone boxes him out.
By the way, his 5/4 February was an improvement from a 3/4 January.
Post All-Star break, he's averaging slightly more minutes than before, but his FG% is down 9% and his rebounding is down from 5.2 boards to 3.8.
That all being said, he is rotating better.
defense first, rebounding second.
He should be able to rotate and to grab more than 3.8 rebounds per game.
It's good to see TimVP doesn't let winning interfere with his nice relaxing glass of haterade.
So you are excited about Elson's FG% dropping off by 9% and his rebounding being under 4 since the All-Star break (despite his minutes being up)?
Both timvp and I said that his defense is getting better but it doesn't mean that he's awesome. He's still pretty mediocre.
Mediocre compared to who? Drob?
He doesn't bobble passes, he goes up for dunks, no stupid pump fakes, he alters shots, occasionally he has nice rebounding or game where he gets a lot of dunks, he finishes the break, tonight he got to the ft line...his j is just good enough to where you have to respect it, he's got just enough of a post game to be a threat there...
Honestly the Spurs don't ask for much from the C, and Elson gives them what they ask better than anyone since Drob, and he throws in a few extras.
Rasho had the talent to be the best...but he just floated too much. Elson seems to show up for the big games and coast during the meaningless ones...
He's about the same thing as Nazr and Rasho - a 5/5 player. Everyone thought they sucked, so what's different about Elson?
I'll give it to him that he's fast. And that he's tall.
But he's a mediocre player at this point.
He dunks more than Rasho, get to the FT line more than Rasho, hits FT better too, pumpfakes less than Nazr, got a better j than Nazr. and he's got better hands than Nazr. He runs the floor better than either of them...
Keep in mind...it's tough to get Wilt Chamberlain for 2 mil per year.
And with all that, he's averaging 3.8 rebounds since the AllStar break
At some point, I'd like to see actual numbers result from how much "better" he is than Rasho/Nazr.
I want him to average 8/7 in 20-25 mpg, while playing "decent" defense.
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