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Yea, I like Fazekas rebounding and offensive ability a lot. He isnt the best defender right now, but with a little work and weight training, he could be solid next to Tim
I mean that the big guy next to Duncan is a bit less vital a need at this point than a nice SF. But I've changed my thoughts - if we can't trade up and Fazekas is the best available, then by all means...
Yea, I like Fazekas rebounding and offensive ability a lot. He isnt the best defender right now, but with a little work and weight training, he could be solid next to Tim
That is revisionist history. The Spurs negotiated with Scola, but something get crosswise about the buyout. I don't know if the Spurs just didn't grasp how big the buyout was, or if Scola wasn't up front with him. In any event, when it became clear the buyout was $14 million, that was a huge surprise which of course the Spurs had not planned for.
Signing Oberto was the backup plan. Of course, the Spurs won't say that, because that's akin to telling him, "We didn't really want you; we had to settle for you."
The buyout was never $14 million. That is pretty much impossible, although I'll allow that Tau simply wouldn't let him go at all. In all likelihood that was Tau's starting bid in negotiations and the Spurs F.O. and the San Antonio media reported it as the hard and cold facts, since the Spurs don't negotiate at such high levels. They probably said, "Oberto will do just as well, and be cheaper," and signed him instead. When Scola finally plays his first games in the NBA, we'll see if they were correct, but that $14 million figure is nonsensical.
Nonsense or not, I don't fully mean the Spurs would have signed Scola that summer. But by signing Oberto instead, that took away $2.5 million (whatever it is) for two more years they could have 'earmarked' for Scola. Having Oberto simply meant that Scola really wasn't coming.
The buyout was never $14 million.
of course it wasn't.
Thats only been reported about 50 billion times here
Tell Extra Stout that (who, by the way, I respect 100x more than you).
Oh my.(who, by the way, I respect 100x more than you).
Whatever shall I do.
I know you will all find this hard to believe, but a player making in the $2-3M range isn't making much by NBA standards, and all of: Finley, Fabs, Butler fall into that range. That salary range falls between a little under to a little over half of the average salary. None of the players was signed longer than 3 years either.
^^ true X, but that median is arrived at by ridiculously overpriced salaries, ie Findawg at 17 mil, CWebber 18 , Brian Grant 13 mil last year.
So while 2-3 mil may be low ave, when you combine a couple of those you get 4-6 mil to shop and up the ante. I find it hard to believe Oberto would not have gone for a one or two year contract, but maybe I'm wrong, he wouldn't.
If Beno is a blowout after this year (i'm not saying he is) but if he is, that was a total waste of years, money, and grind on Tony Parker whom Pop likes to think is indestructible and marches him out there continually.
Butler being for next year? Okay, might pan out. Sure seems like a wasted roster spot since we are battling for a le NOW.
Sure seems like Reggie Evans would have been a much better spent 4 mil per.
3 years is an eternity when the Duncan window is now.
The median is not skewed higher by "outliers", because there are plenty of superstars still making rookie-level wages. The point is that market value for players is different for each team, each position, and varies each year.
Given what Jackie Butler showed in the previous season combined with his youth, I think wagering a 3yr contract for less than $3M per season was an incredible deal...in fact I'm suprised people are ridiculing it.
You would have rather spent $4M per year on an older player with no upside and one speciality (rebounding), who would have likely also signed for at least 3 years (he signed for 4 with Denver)? After the way I saw Evans miss at least 5 "chip shots" 2ft from the basket the last time the Spurs played them...I'd take Butler's inexperience and the possibility of him becoming a good player over the next two years over the Evans deal in a heartbeat.
About Beno, he makes next to nothing.
These guys know their role and it's to watch/learn. Their time with come...
All ears. Go ahead and name all the superstars at rookie level wages.
Here is a list of the top 30 paid players. http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
From #1 at 21 mil to #30 who is at 12.5 mil. You're telling me that doesn't affect the "average'? Jalen Rose at 16 mil, incidentally.
Yes Butler could pan out. Now tell me Butler and Obertos playoff contributions last season and this. Yes i think a rebound only Reggie Evans would outdo both of them. Clearly defined role, not guessing game or wishful thinking.
If Butler pans out, great. Does nothing for last year and this. Strange time to start a building project. If he shocks and steps up this years playoffs that will be fine.
Last edited by Fabbs; 03-10-2007 at 10:36 AM.
Exactly. That is cash that could have been either offered to Tau or put elsewhere. While Tau was asking 14 mil, that number is down by now. Plus just because they are asking 14 does not mean they won't take less.
The Spurs scout who screwed up and did not check Scolas contract buyout was fired by the Spurs.
I wouldn´t be that sure about that.
let´s wait and see.
Off the top of my head (no research)....
Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson.
You also keep bringing up Oberto and Butler together. It should be noted that the Oberto signing had nothing to do with not signing Reggie Evans this past off-season, because he was signed the previous year w/ MLE money. The person you should be comparing Evans' production to is his former Nugget teammate who was signed this past off-season along with Butler....Elson. Elson may not be as good a rebounder, but he is a much better offensive player and fits the need for an athletic shot-blocker.
Elson + Butler now may not be equal to Evans right now (though it's close), but I think Elson + Butler in the future could be MUCH better than Evans.
Oberto rode the pine last year because the Spurs had better options, and if some of those other players pan out, he'll ride the pine again next year....Oberto was brought in as a warm body.
Last edited by AFBlue; 03-10-2007 at 11:59 AM.
How could you make that argument? I could see arguing for the future, but now?I would argue that Elson + Butler now is at least equal to Evans
Butler doesn't play, so he's a non factor.
Elson
PPG 5.1
RPG 4.9
APG .9
SPG .39
BPG .82
FG% .534
FT% .768
3P% .000
MPG 18.8
Evans
PPG 5.5
RPG 7.6
APG .7
SPG .73
BPG .25
FG% .540
FT% .494
3P% .000
MPG 18.6
I guess you could argue that Elson can out-tall Evans .. and his FT% is much better. But averaging 2.7 rebounds more in the same minutes is a big plus for Reggie.
Fair enough argument, though I wouldn't say that Evans' production dwarfs Elson's in any way. Worse rebounding and steals, better blocking and free throw %, similar assits and FG%.
I'll edit it though....
You don't need to editI just think Evans' rebounding would be great. The Spurs have gotten beat up on the boards so much in the past.
Hopefully Elson can somehow start to be more consistent on the glass.
Hopefully Elson can start to be more consistent period. One night he's good enough to stay on the court for 35 minutes and pick up 13/8 (not great, but passable #'s), then a few nights later he plays an ineffective 15 minutes with 3/3. The Spurs need this guy to be more consistent down the stretch because he has the right blend of length and athleticism to the Spurs need. And he might not be an "elite" rebounder like Evans, but he's serviceable.You don't need to edit
Hopefully Elson can somehow start to be more consistent on the glass.
Another reason the Spurs get outrebounded is that Finley is probably the worst Small Ball 4 in the league...
Elson is a strange duck, thats for sure.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....34f93ffe.html
I saw this in the Ludden Article about Butler and it sort of suprised me. Is the fact that the third year of his contract is voidable a well known fact? I, for one, had no idea. Is this correct?
Third year, team option.
Wow, well that's good for the Spurs' cap situation if this guy doesn't pan out next year.
Evans isn't better than Elson this year and I rather have Elson than Evans with Spurs.
If Evans is the 5th bigman behind player like Kleiza or Najera on Denver rotation, there is a reason.
Probably because he doesn't have a great at ude (which is nothing new).
But he can still rebound the ball.
If Elson was on Denver, he'd never play. He'd be their 12th man ... again.
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