Vaughn fits well as Spurs' mentor

[aaronstampler]

How can you expect his assists to go up? For the better part of the season, you had your top 3 bench players Horry, Finley, and Beno shooting around 30% or so. Even Bowen and Barry went through a tough shooting stretch there for a while. You can only rack up assists when the other person makes the basket and if you have teammates in a shooting slump, that's going to be hard to do.

The team is shooting the exact same FG %, down to the thousanth, as we did last year: .472.

This year we're averaging 98.4 points and 22.3 assists as a team compared to 95.6 points and 20.9 assists last year.

So yeah, I'm not going to buy that one.

[timvp]

Manu is averaging a career-low in most every assist related stat. Although you'd never read that on this forum.

Some Spurs fans realize that this offense is a low post oriented motion offense that won't allow any single player to rack up huge amount of assists. Other Spurs fans don't want to realize it.

[exstatic]

That's BS. The offense isn't the way it is because Pop is necessarily in love with it, it's because Pop has no choice. But by no means does Pop dislike pass first point guards. AJ averaged 7.4 assists in our first le year and that was with TWO post up players.

Doesn't change the fact that they do, in fact, run a motion offense (which you seem not to understand how it operates at all), and that Nash would struggle to get 7 dimes here.

[aaronstampler]

When your point guard shoots better from the floor than Yao Ming, it's ok for him to take 15 shots a game.

Get back to me when he gets to the line and make them like Yao Ming. Yao 1.45 points per shot, Tony 1.26.

Tony's not as efficient as he appears because A) he doesn't get to the line enough and B) doesn't hit a lot of threes. His 1.26 PPS is only 5th on the team and right at the team's average overall.

Believe it or not but in a lineup of Elson-Duncan-Barry-Ginobili-Parker, Tony would be the guy that other teams would most like to put it up.

[T Park]

I wasn't trying to be funny

No I find it funny that you feel a player regresses after a couple bad games.

When your point guard shoots better from the floor than Yao Ming, it's ok for him to take 15 shots a game.

SHHHH

[cherylsteele]

I don't know what numbers y'all are looking at. I see fewer points, fewer assists, and a lower shooting %. He's averaging half a point less on a half more shooting attempt than last year. Basically he's getting to the free throw line less and it's hurting his efficiency.

While his free throw % and his defense have improved this season I'm concerned that his assist rate and his assists per 40 minutes have dropped for the second straight season. I can't understand why every part of his game continues to develop year after year but as a point guard he peaked two seasons ago.

Over a career so far.

Tony Parker is averaging 5.4 assists.
Compare that to James Silas' 3.8 career assist average....and Silas played in an era run and gun Spurs teams.
Many people consider him to be the best point guard the Spurs have ever had.

And you say Assist numbers should be higher? That is only part of what a point guard needs to do to be good. Just because TP's assists number aren't as high as other point guards doesn't mean he is not a good passer. Maybe he makes a pass that sets up the actual assist? That won't make it onto the stat sheet, but without that initial pass the actual assist may never be made.

I rank the point guards like this:
Tony Parker
Johnny Moore
James Silas
Johnny Dawkins
John Lucas

[aaronstampler]

Doesn't change the fact that they do, in fact, run a motion offense (which you seem not to understand how it operates at all), and that Nash would struggle to get 7 dimes here.

I'd bet my car, my TV, my computer and just about every possession I have that Nash could easily get 7 assists in this offense or any other.

[T Park]

Get back to me when he gets to the line and make them like Yao Ming. Yao 1.45 points per shot, Tony 1.26.

Tony's not as efficient as he appears because A) he doesn't get to the line enough and B) doesn't hit a lot of threes. His 1.26 PPS is only 5th on the team and right at the team's average overall.

Believe it or not but in a lineup of Elson-Duncan-Barry-Ginobili-Parker, Tony would be the guy that other teams would most like to put it up.

Yeah, they would want Fracisco Elson to shoot before Tony parker.


What the are you people drinking. Good god.

[T Park]

I'd bet my car, my TV, my computer and just about every possession I have that Nash could easily get 7 assists in this offense or any other.

well i have a color one, dont want a pinto, the double wide isn't that great, so you prob wont have any takers.

[aaronstampler]

Tony averaged 7.3 dimes in December. I guess Pop must have completely overhauled the offense since then. I must have missed that Ludden article.

[cherylsteele]

Tony averaged 7.3 dimes in December. I guess Pop must have completely overhauled the offense since then. I must have missed that Ludden article.

Since this is I team game I don't concern myself with individual averages too much....I concern myself with team averages.

[timvp]

I'd bet my car, my TV, my computer and just about every possession I have that Nash could easily get 7 assists in this offense or any other.

Nash didn't average 7 assists per game until he was more than two years older than Tony currently is.

You can send your possessions to:

21 SpursTalk Lane
San Antonio, TX 78250
In care of Beno Udrih

Thanks.

[T Park]

[T Park]

Tony averaged 7.3 dimes in December. I guess Pop must have completely overhauled the offense since then. I must have missed that Ludden article

check the team field goal percentage for that month as compared to others.

[ShoogarBear]

Manu is averaging a career-low in most every assist related stat. Although you'd never read that on this forum.

That's because Finley and Tony don't try to hit their shots when Manu passes it to them.

Plus, I believe the official motto of the CoM is Just give the ball to Manu and get out of his way®.

[aaronstampler]

I really don't understand why you all are being so stubborn. You can check every reputable source you want, Hollinger, 82games.com, Wagesofwins, etc. You won't find one person who thinks critically and objectively about basketball that thinks Tony is having a better season this year than last.

It doesn't mean he's still not a great player. It just means he was better last season. How is that insulting? I don't get it. He went from being our best regular season player last year to 3rd best this year, that's all.

[T Park]

Funny, with parker is "objective" with Ginobili its "hate"

Typical

[aaronstampler]

Nash didn't average 7 assists per game until he was more than two years older than Tony currently is.

You can send your possessions to:

21 SpursTalk Lane
San Antonio, TX 78250
In care of Beno Udrih

Thanks.

You mean his second season as a full time starter? Tony's started how many years now? Five?

[ChumpDumper]

Believe it or not but in a lineup of Elson-Duncan-Barry-Ginobili-Parker, Tony would be the guy that other teams would most like to put it up.

Yes, opposing teams regard Francisco Elson as a bigger offensive threat and key their defenses on him.

[cherylsteele]

He went from being our best regular season player last year to 3rd best this year, that's all.

Well for starters....part of those three best players was hurt last year. Remember Tim had PF all year and his numbers were way down.

Also every player has fluctuations in their careers....even the very best of them.....I base it on overall play of the team and how they fit in with the other 11 players on the team.

[T Park]

Yes, opposing teams regard Francisco Elson as a bigger offensive threat and key their defenses on him.

Isn't he the one that gets double teamed in the post and has to kick it out to parker who then hogs the ball and shoots?

[1Parker1]

No I find it funny that you feel a player regresses after a couple bad games.

I love how you always give this sarcastic/defensive responses to people without actually using some substance to back it up. Here is Elson's stat-line since his amazing 18 rebound effort against the Pistons:

vs. Hawks:

2 points, 2 rebounds, and 5 fouls in 12 minutes.

vs. Sonics
6 points, 2 rebounds in 22 minutes

vs. Raptors
6 points, 5 rebounds in 28 minutes--but I'll give you this one because he played solid defense on Bosh.

vs. Magic
2 points, 2 rebounds in 16 minutes

vs. Houston
13 points, 8 rebounds in 33 minutes

vs. Kings
4 points, 2 rebounds, 5 fouls in 12 minutes


And these are just stats. More telling, his defense is still not where it should be at this point. He feel for the most basic fake pumps against the Kings and Corlos Williamson the other night. He still doesn't know how to set a halfway decent screen...the most basic staple of basketball defense. He's still too inconsistent for me.

Anyway, to each her own. But next time you want to comment on my post, try bringing some actual substance and facts to the table instead of sarcastic one-liners.

[T Park]

But next time you want to comment on my post, try bringing some actual substance and facts to the table instead of sarcastic one-liners

so now we can't give an opinion without stats?


Thank you forum police.

[T Park]

BTW, you give me the game against Bosh, but not Houston were he gets 13 and 8

Whatever.

[aaronstampler]

Funny, with parker is "objective" with Ginobili its "hate"

Typical

Um.. Manu has a +/- that's 87 points better than Tony despite Parker having logged over 500 more minutes on the floor with Duncan.