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Cheney is a real head. I'm not surprised idiots like yonivore fall for his bull .
Where did you get your statistics, another Lancet study?
And, judging from the correspondence between Zawahiri and Zarqawi (before he tried to catch that JDAM with his bare hands), Iraq is the decisive battle for them as well.
Cheney is a real head. I'm not surprised idiots like yonivore fall for his bull .
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1003/p...q.html?s=widep
October, 2006
The total number of foreign fighters in Iraq is between 800 and 2,000, according to estimates by the Brookings Ins ution, a think tank in Washington. In contrast, the total strength of the insurgency is more than 20,000 people, according to Brookings. That means the vast majority of its fighters come from Iraq itself.
"In proportion to the whole insurgency, [the percentage of foreign fighters] is very small," says Aidan Kirby, a terrorism expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).
So if I am hearing you correctly you are now relying on a terrorist's word as truth. Decisive battle for who/what? The most decisive battle for IRAQ? Probably.
If we kill these 2,000 folks the war on terror will be won? Can we assume that not all of these foreign fighters are al-qaeda?
I guess you want everyone to believe that if Iraq becomes a beacon of democracy that AL-Qaeda will just throw thier hands up and give in. They are taking pot shots at us meanwhile winning the pr battle and increasing thier ranks..
Doesn't Muqtada Al Sadr's army comprise approximately 16,000 of that 20,000 count insurgency force? Where are they now? And, didn't someone say he'd be back in a week or so -- several weeks ago -- that he was just visiting Iran?
And, I read a recent estimate that as many as 14,000 insurgents and al Qadans may currently be in the custody of coalition and Iraqi forces.
Plus, you don't explain Zawahiri's -- non-propaganda -- letter to Zarqawi in which he proclaims the Iraq battle to be the decisive battle for their movement.
Well I am not going to pretendto know what Zawahiri's motives or intent was when he wrote his letter. However if I were to buy your argument that this was the 'decisive' battle then I could assume that Al-Qaeda will surrender and stop terrorist activties if they were to fail in Iraq. Does this make any logical sense Yoni? I don't think for one minute this would be the case.
I don't know, we'll see.
One thing's for sure. Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein won't be congratulating al Qaeda in their paper and sending $25,000 checks to the "Martyrs'" families. Nor will they be placing those little bottles of shampoo and conditioner on the bathroom vanities of the Abu Nidal and Abu Abass terrorist organizations. Those days are surely over.
Nor will they be seeking to acquire large quan ies of yellowcake uranium from Africa.
They're all in Baghdad. (pay no attention to that afghan rug, it's been cleaned)
Every terraist left has joined the fight in Iraq. (pack up Homeland security, you are no longer needed)
Iran and Syria will soon be a christain haven and Hezbollah will marry Jewish women.
This is what victory means in Iraq. This will be the only win.
The yellowcake was Betty Crocker.
So Aggie is blaming the head's failure in Iraq on "rules of engagement" that prevent the US military from "kicking ass" ??
Did the US citizens, Congress, or media define these rules of engagement?
I haven't heard Petraeus or anybody other top brass say they could kick ass and win in Iraq if there weren't any rule of engagement. Link?
The "secret Iraq war for oil", a war NEVER talked about in the press, is not the one we have now, but the one you, yoni, and clanny want. ie, secret Iraq war with no discussion in the US press, no polls of US citizens, trusting head and rummy to up without anybody knowing about it.
I'll answer the last question first - this ain't the GOP talking. I am a conservative, but I have not been satisfied with the GOP in recent years. Bush is not addressing the border situation in any satisfactory way and he throws our tax money like any Democrat would.
As for "my source", that's hilarious. I'm only expressing an opinion. I'm just reading the trends.
The war in Iraq has already accomplished something wonderful - Saddam Hussein is ousted and dead. He was a murderous bas and the world is a better place with fewer tyrants.
Saddam's Iraq was dealing with al-Qaeda. Two weeks before 9/11, Saddam placed his military forces on its highest state of alert since Gulf War I. He also retreated into his network of bunkers and moved his wives out of their Baghdad estate. According to London's Daily Telegraph, Hussein had been funding al-Qaeda "with funding, logistical backup and advanced weapons training." This link between Iraq and al-Qaeda is mentioned on pp. 253-54 of the book Everything You Know Is Wrong as part of an article en led "September 11, 2001: No Surprise" by Russ Kick.
You don't have to like the Iraq war, but in a world with terrorist groups like Hezbollah and al-Qaeda, with hostile nations like Iran and North Korea, with dirty bombs and suitcase nukes, we are entering an unfortunate era of world history - one where our choices range from bad to worse. A proactive strategy will cost us fewer lives than a reactive strategy will.
But if you want to pretend the world is a nice and pleasant place and George Bush is the only one screwing things up, go ahead.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT
MANALAPAN, Fla. (AP) -- Vice President Cheney on Saturday accused the Democrat-led House of not supporting troops in Iraq and of sending a message to terrorists that America will retreat in the face danger.
"They're not supporting the troops. They're undermining them," Cheney told a gathering of the Republican Jewish Coalition at the oceanside Ritz-Carlton hotel in Manalapan, Fla., about 60 miles north of Miami.
On Friday, the House voted to clamp a cutoff deadline on the Iraq war, agreeing by a thin margin to pull combat troops out by next year.
The $124 billion House legislation would pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year but would require that combat troops come home from Iraq before September 2008 - or earlier if the Iraqi government does not meet certain requirements.
Cheney called it a myth that "one can support the troops without giving them the tools and reinforcements they need to carry out their mission."
President Bush has threatened to veto the legislation. Cheney said Bush will not withdraw troops before there is stability in Iraq.
"The American people have lost faith in the president's conduct of this war," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said after the passage. A message seeking comment was left with Pelosi's office Saturday.
's at it AGAIN... I suppose thinks sending the troops into an unecessary war without the proper equipment is a great way of 'supporting' the troops. Of course Rummy said it himself..you go with the military you have and not the one you want.. Hey I guess you like our boys in the middle of civil war... nice support..Most of America had had enough with this war that had nothing to do with terrorism. You may want more GIs to die but some of us don't think this unecessary war is worth 1 more dead GI... I hope you to I really do..
And people like GGA, boutons and others accept the media
as the only true reports of the war in Iraq.
boutons illustrates this completely, he believing the mediaThe VC didn't win. The US public, after 50K dead and 250K injured, with no let up in sight, decided to quit.
Typical Aggie, believe the spin from the Repugs, or from the VC, just believe the spin.
Aggie prefers that the WH wage their bull war for oil in total secrecy, with the American people totally uninformed. How very American.
Even with the war in total secrecy, Iraq would be the same lost hole today, because the Repugs were too ing stupid and incompetent to run the war successfully.
only reports the truth, by his statement: "The US public...
decided to quit" in VN. No the public didn't decide, a
bunch of dimm-o-craps decided to pull troops out of VN
and let a country go down the drain. And then watch
over a million die and another country go under by their
brilliant, it wont happen at ude. The media in VN kept
reporting we were losing, when in all reality we were
winning and inflicted a defeat on the NVN. And now
we have history repeating itself, with the same players.
VN, like Iraq, is a war that was won, but we lost in VN
internally in the US and will lose Iraq the same way.
Again, we will watch a national lose a good portion of its
people through a bloodbath of terrorism like we have
never witnessed. Except this time, our own people will
feel the sword. We will know car bombs, random killings
and terror in schools and other public places just like
in the ME.
So you folks go right ahead and blame Bush and Chenney
for all the troubles of the world, forget who started the
real war and pat yourself on the back for Pelosi and Reid
and the other dimm-o-craps for stopping funding and
setting deadlines and sit back and enjoy the short respite
you will enjoy before you start sleep under you beds.
Does this sound familiar.
Democrats Defend Plan for Iraq Pullout
Mar 24 08:34 PM US/Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Democrats' plan to bring U.S. troops home from Iraq next year responds to voters' demand for change, New Hampshire Rep. Paul Hodes said Saturday.
Hodes and other House Democrats on Friday pushed through a rebuke of President Bush and the war in Iraq. Bush promised a veto of the spending bill, which demands combat operations end before September 2008—and perhaps earlier.
"With our vote this week, we're helping our troops, protecting our veterans, and fighting to end the waste, fraud and abuse," said Hodes, delivering the Democrats' weekly radio address. "After four years of a failed policy, Democrats are insisting on a new direction in Iraq and a real plan that holds the Iraqi people accountable for their own country."
Sure We Are, Helping everyone, especially the Terrorist who will know when to come out of hiding again, right after we leave. Also give them a chance to build up arms and forces to continue their little take over and re-educate the populace. Right!
Hodes, elected in November, was part of the Democratic takeover of both chambers of Congress. He has opposed the war and any efforts to escalate it.
"Last November, people in New Hampshire and across the country voted for change. They voted for a new Congress that would stop acting as a rubber stamp for this president and begin confronting the problems and challenges facing our nation," Hodes said.
On Saturday, he emphasized the Iraqis must meet the benchmarks Bush proposed in January.
"As we enter the fifth year of the war, Iraq remains in chaos and the Iraqi government has failed to stand up and take ownership of the country."
The Senate is expected to take up legislation as early as Monday.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Same garbage, different day.
speaking of the same garbage but different day..Sure We Are, Helping everyone, especially the Terrorist who will know when to come out of hiding again, right after we leave. Also give them a chance to build up arms and forces to continue their little take over and re-educate the populace. Right!
Where are they hiding now Ray? I thought they were fighting us in raq?
What is truly and ironic about this whole Iraq mess is that the same people who have been wrong from the beginning are still out in public making baseless claims and trying to taint those who disagree with them... Didn't say we would be greeted as liberators? Oh but Ray believes every word he says... Of course Colin Powell tol Bush if you break Iraq you will own it...prophetic indeed
They don't need us out of Iraq to build up arms ray.. They are regrouping around the world while we are bogged down in a liberation experiment gone awry...
Let's assume we tell the Iraqi's you have 18 months to get your house in order then we will begin to pull our forces out. What if the govt decides it is now or never to make the concesions we need to succeed when the US leaves? What if the ultimatum creates an even greater sense of urgency with the Iraqi military? WOuldn't these be good things? Or do we just 'stay the course' and baby sit Iraq to the tune of 3,000 more dead plus 20,000 injured?
cheney deserves to have his orbital socket ed by a rabid pornstar on viagra
Who is attempting to taint who?
And why haven't they attempted to do more terrorist
attacks in the West? How about who has who tied down
and using all their resources. Who is killing civilians and
using children as suicide bombers. Hmmmmmm?
Poor head, the oilco's must be really pressuring him to "win" the oil.
What's really undermining the military is that it's too small to fight a two-country war, so solidiers are forced to serve longer tours, to go back multiple times, destroying morale because NO PROGRESS is seen. Same old , ever worse , week after week, for 6 years.
All the while the WH refuses to spend the many $Bs to provide sufficient equipment, new and refurbished, to keep the troops fully equipped and protected.
ie, the WH/PNAC/AEI/neo- s decision to grab the Iraqi oil on the cheap compounded by their incompetence, has truly undermined the US military, NOT the Congress.
So, head, you and dubya have been judged guilty (of lying and incompetence and dereliction of duty) by the American people and were fired last November. The Congress is expressing the will of the majority US citizenry, if you remember such a quaint notion, to stop the war in Iraq. The margin against the war is MUCH bigger than the tiny margins which put you murderous, thieving mother ers in office.
It's just amazing that some people will believe anything from their party's leaders. Almost every day there is a horrific bombing in Iraq. If this sort of thing happened yearly in the US, there would be to pay for whoever's in power. It's been 4 years of this, and there is no sign of any solution. I and most Americans do not want 4+ more years of this idiocy.
Madrid and London ring any bells? Considering the attacks in other parts of the world since then as well -- Tunisia, Bali, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Turkey -- it's pretty apparent we haven't slowed them down all that much. That's because we have done and -- thanks to the invasion of Iraq -- will do nothing about the real home of Al Qaeda these days.And why haven't they attempted to do more terrorist
attacks in the West?
Mission Accomplished.
West ern Pak i stanThat's because we have done and -- thanks to the invasion of Iraq -- will do nothing about the real home of Al Qaeda these days.
Vietnam was a 100% anti-american ideology.
The same country born from a revolution and colonization ends up being an advocate for colonization and anti-revolutionary.
We had no place there, whether we were winning or losing.
We aren't fighting for what is right, we are fighting for our self-interests.
Terrorism has replaced communism as our fear in the modern age. I'm sure 200 years down the road that history will be ashamed of what we are doing. Winners write history and that's our only good reason to stay now.
We don't care about spreading democracy.
If we did then watch out Cuba, china, North Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the other 41 monarchies, 2 communist states, and countless totalitarian states. We might as well go to war with the world.
Why do you hate America? Prepare for the apologist's attacks..
Hey twerp, what is so wrong for fighting for "own self
interest"? What better reason to fight.
Of course you or I will never know what people will write
of history or even if our country will exist in 200 years.
But, I really could care less. I worry about now and the
short future, like my kids and grand kids. And my own
self-interest. And have no qualms about saying so. If
I help some other folks out, so much the better. I love
the fact that folks like you have no qualms about ignoring
that fact.
We did not have a mind to make VN a colony of the
United States, nor do we plan on having Iraq as a
colony of the U.S. We have never colonized any country,
but I am sure according you your recollection of history
we are nothing but exploiters of other countries. Maybe,
you should use your head for something other than
a hat rack and thing about the fact we have never
kept any territory won thru warfare.
Oh, for your information, we are involved in a world wide
war at this time. But you like most on this forum do
not recognize that fact. We are fighting the terrorist in
many countries, maybe not openly, but troops are in
several countries and operations are on going in
several parts of the world. Not just Iraq and Afghanistan.
But how would you know. You live in your own little
world.
Like clockwork..
^^Isn't it nice you have someone you can count on?
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