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    He fired them because they refused to alter their legal ethics to coincide with his.

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    Wild-eyed hippie liberal John Sununu cares:

    Republican Sununu Says Gonzales Should Be Fired Over Missteps

    By Robert Schmidt

    March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Senator John Sununu of New Hampshire called for U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to be fired, the first Republican senator to demand his ouster over the firing of eight federal prosecutors.

    "The president should fire the attorney general and replace him as soon as possible with someone who can provide strong, aggressive leadership prosecuting the war on terrorism, running the Department of Justice, and working with the president and Congress on important homeland security matters,'' Sununu said in a statement.

    Sununu also cited recent revelations that the FBI violated Americans' privacy by misusing powers given to it by Congress to fight terrorism.

    "These failures have created a deep, widespread lack of confidence in the ability of the attorney general to effectively serve the president at a very important time,'' Sununu said.

    President George W. Bush earlier today said he still had confidence in Gonzales and his ability to lead the Justice Department. Still, he expressed dissatisfaction that the dismissals were "mishandled.''

    "Mistakes were made, and I'm frankly not happy about it,'' Bush said at a news conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon in Merida, Mexico. The attorney general is "going to go up to Capitol Hill to correct them.''

    Bush said he talked to Gonzales this morning and asked him to explain to Congress what occurred in the process of firing the prosecutors. Bush said it "troubles'' him that lawmakers say they feel misled about the dismissals....

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...ng0&refer=home

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    "Mistakes were made, and I'm frankly not happy about it,''
    If only this administration could govern as well as it employs rhetorical sophistry.

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    Does Bush even believe his own bull ?
    There is a lot of confusion over what really has been a customary practice by the presidents.
    Really? Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

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    Does Bush even believe his own bull ?Really? Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

    93 firings by Bill Clinton.


    Pwned.

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    Maybe they refused to resign like they are expected to when the office changes hands -- like the Clinton appointees resigned when Bush took office.

    They didn't choose to resign. They were given 10 days to get out.

    Quit pulling out of your ass.

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    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/ le3/2musa.htm#3-2.120



    3-2.120 Appointment

    United States Attorneys are appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate for a four-year term. See 28 U.S.C. Sec. 541. Upon expiration of this term, the United States Attorney continues to perform the duties of the office until a successor is confirmed. United States Attorneys are subject to removal at the will of the President. See Parsons v. United States, 167 U.S. 314 (1897).

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    They didn't choose to resign. They were given 10 days to get out.
    And?
    93 firings by Bill Clinton.


    Pwned.


    RIF.

    Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

    You just owned yourself by proving you can't understand simple sentences.

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    Believe. gtownspur's Avatar
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    And?

    RIF.

    Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

    You just owned yourself by proving you can't understand simple sentences.

    So had they been Clinton appointees who were unwilling, there would be no problem?

    And, that argument is so weak.


    "But he appointed them himself, therefore he can't fire them."

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    And?

    RIF.

    Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

    You just owned yourself by proving you can't understand simple sentences.

    So is this a trivia thread, or a thread on ethics.

    I thought we were arguing wether there was a crime committed.

    But, like always your arguments are pointless.

    Awnser the link i provided Master Baiter.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/ le3/2musa.htm#3-2.120

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    That's not the argument.

    It's a simple question.

    Who was the last president to fire eight US Attorneys he appointed himself, seven of them at one time?

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    I thought we were arguing wether there was a crime committed.
    Wrong as usual.

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    So is this a trivia thread, or a thread on ethics.
    The answer to the question explains the ethics if you are smart enough to figure it out.

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    This administration never ceases to amaze me.

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    Carol Lam, the fired US Atty who brought down Duke Cunningham, may
    be the key to the whole scandal.

    From Talking Points Memo, Josh Marshall very well may have the key to bringing the whole house of cards down on Dubya. If so, this scandal could mushroom much bigger...

    Josh cites a McClatchy Washington Bureau article which misses the connection to the Lam investigations of Cunningham and some very well placed GOPers, like CA-Rep Jerry Lewis. Josh suggests a theory that Dubya's goal may be more focussed than a few US attorneys who wouldn't prosecute Democrats for wrong-doing. There may be some real obstruction going on here.

    From Josh's post:
    Lam's firing has always been at the heart of this. I've had a lot of people ask me why we devoted so much virtual ink to this story so early. But the truth is that by rights Lam's dismissal should have sounded alarm bells for everyone on day one.

    What people tend to overlook is that for most White House's a US attorney involved in such a politically charged and ground-breaking corruption probe would have been untouchable, even if she'd run her office like a madhouse and was offering free twinkies to every illegal who made it across the border. Indeed, when you view the whole context you see that the idea she was fired for immigration enforcement is just laughable on its face. No decision about her tenure could be made without the main issue being that investigation. It's like hearing that Pat Fitzgerald was fired as Plamegate prosecutor for poor deportment or because he was running up too many air miles flying back and forth from Chicago.

    I really think that this is the key to the whole affair. Lam was always a high visibility part of this. If the Senate doesn't subpoena her, and all those surrounding this case, they may hit a target, but they won't cut to the core of the matter. All the other firings may be mere frosting on the cake. This is the real meat.
    Daniel Hopsicker of Mad Cow Productions may have had this one nailed in 2005.

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    Meanwhile, today on CNN’s Situation Room, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) blew off White House signals that Karl Rove and other senior Bush officials may resist testifying before Congress on the U.S. Attorney purge...

    “Frankly, I don’t care whether says he’s going to allow people or not. We’ll subpoena the people we want,” Leahy said. “If they want to defy the subpoena, then you get into a stonewall situation I suspect they don’t want to have.” Asked whether he’ll subpoena Rove, Leahy answered, “Yes. He can appear voluntarily if he wants. If he doesn’t, I will subpoena him.”
    Linky

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    Carol Lam broke the recently amended clause of the 11th Republican Commandment: "Thou shall not indict and convict a fellow Republican"

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    damn! will this goverment beat Nixon's as the most evil goverment in US history???
    Already has

    If anybody cares to follow this story
    http://judiciary.house.gov/

    Two more years, than
    somebody new to F the public over.

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    Gonzales says his future depends on Bush
    By MERRILL HARTSON, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON
    - Embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Wednesday it's up to President Bush whether he remains in the administration and said he wants to stay and explain to Congress the cir stances surrounding the firings of eight U.S. attorneys.

    "I work for the American people and serve at the pleasure of the president," Gonzales said. Defending himself amid an escalating political row over the replacement of a host of federal prosecutors, Gonzales said he had done a good job in the country's top law enforcement position.

    "I think you can look at the record of the department in terms of what we've done ... going after child predators, public corruption cases," he said on NBC's "Today" show. "I think our record is outstanding."

    ~snip~

    "I think we've done a good job in managing the department. .. Things are going to happen," he said. "We are going to work with Congress to make sure they know what happened. ... We want to ensure that they have a complete and accurate picture of what happened here."
    Yahoo News

    I hear a train a coming,.......a coming round the bend....

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    The Attorneys General, like all cons utional officers is sworn to defend the cons ution - not to defend the President, or Karl Rove, or Alberto Gonzales, or Randall Duke Cunningham, or Tom Delay, or "Kenny boy" Lay, or Mark Foley, or Jack Abramoff, or the Republican Party. In other words, they serve us - the people - not the President. This is precisely what is meant by "a government of laws, not of men". And no man is above the law.

    On no other issue - not even the policies of torture, and rampant spying - have the neoconservatives made their contempt for the rule of law, and for the citizens of this democracy, more overt than this. Unless you are among the very few who are glad to see the entire apparatus of American Justice subverted to be used as a weapon against "enemies" of the Ruling Party, the time to begin impeachment proceedings is NOW.

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    http://www.townhall.com/News/newsart...b-5add8d3f6651




    The White House on Friday backed off its earlier contention that then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers first raised the idea of firing U.S. attorneys _ an act that led to a firestorm of criticism of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

    "It has been described as her idea but ... I don't want to try to vouch for origination," said White House press secretary Tony Snow, who previously had asserted Miers was the person who came up with the idea. "At this juncture, people have hazy memories."


    Then-United States Attorney General nominee Alberto Gonzales, center and White House senior adviser Karl Rove, left, as they attend the swearing-in ceremony for the Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings at the U.S. Dept. of Education, in this Jan. 31, 2005 file photo in Washington. The White House is being pulled further into the intensifying probe over federal prosecutor firings amid new questions about top political adviser Karl Rove's role and as Republican support for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales erodes. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, File) Snow's comments came as e-mails surfaced Thursday night pulling the White House further into the intensifying probe over the firings of eight federal prosecutors. The e-mails raised new questions about top political adviser Karl Rove's role in the dismissals, and came amid eroding GOP support for Gonzales that put his job at risk.

    Snow said it was not immediately clear who first floated the more dramatic idea of firing all 93 U.S. attorneys shortly after President Bush was re-elected to a second term.

    "This is as far as we can go: we know that Karl recollects Harriet having raised it and his recollection is that he dismissed it as not a good idea," Snow told reporters. "That's what we know. We don't know motivations. ... I don't think it's safe to go any further than that."

    Asked if Bush himself might have suggested the firings, Snow said, "Anything's possible ... but I don't think so." He said Bush "certainly has no recollection of any such thing. I can't speak for the attorney general.

    "I want you to be clear here: don't be dropping it at the president's door," Snow said.

    Bush's top legal aides were to tell congressional Democrats on Friday whether and under what conditions they would allow high-level White House officials, including Rove, to testify under oath in the inquiry into the firings.

    Subpoenas could come as early as next week.

    "The story keeps changing, which neither does them or the public any good," Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Friday. "They ought to gather all the facts and tell the public the truth."

    Another Republican on Friday suggested it might be time for Gonzales to go.

    "It is ultimately the president's decision, but perhaps it would benefit this administration if the attorney general was replaced with someone with a more professional focus rather than personal loyalty," said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., complaining of "a pattern of arrogance in this administration."

    The e-mails, including a set issued Thursday night by the Justice Department, appear to contradict the administration's assertion that Bush's staff had only limited involvement in the firings, which Democrats have called a politically motivated purge.

    The latest e-mails between White House and Justice Department officials show that Rove inquired in early January 2005 about firing U.S. attorneys.

    The one-page do ent also indicates Gonzales was considering dismissing up to 20 percent of U.S. attorneys in the weeks before he took over the Justice Department.

    In the e-mails, Gonzales' top aide, Kyle Sampson, says that an across-the-board housecleaning "would certainly send ripples through the U.S. attorney community if we told folks they got one term only." But it concludes that "if Karl thinks there would be political will to do it, then so do I."

    Sampson resigned this week amid the uproar.

    What will the bushbots say about this? Now the WH backtracked their story..ALberto's version is being revised as we speak..... should anyone be su ious? If it was just business as usual as most Bush apologists say it is (remember they sat slick willy fired 93) then why not tell the truth from the beginning. This stroy would have just gone away but now the administration itself has brought this to the forefront. Nice job on GOP permanent majority karl

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    These inveterate, incorrigible liars can't even lie competently.

    Miers was in way over her head,

    so is Poco Puto Gonzo,

    as was John "aluminum s" Ashcroft,

    as was "you're doing a heckuva job" Brownie,

    as is Chertoff ("I learned aobut New Orleans problems on CNN"),

    as was Bremer, (I kicked Iraq down a hole, where it remains)

    as was rummy ("I don't know what I know I don't know, do I?"),

    as is/was ... the whole ing dubya crowd is a bunch lying incompetents.
    Last edited by boutons_; 03-16-2007 at 04:07 PM.

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    These inveterate, incorrigible liars can even lie competently.

    Miers was in way over her head,

    so is Poco Puto Gonzo,

    as was John "aluminum s" Ashcroft,

    as was "you're doing a heckuva job" Brownie,

    as is Chertoff ("I learned aobut New Orleans problems on CNN"),

    as was Bremer, (I kicked Iraq down a hole, where it remains)

    as was rummy ("I don't know what I know I don't know, do I?"),

    as is/was ... the whole ing dubya crowd is a bunch lying incompetents.


    I just discovered why Boutons edits his posts so long after he actually posts them. Because they don't make any ing sense the first time he posts them. How about that.

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