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I don't recall Jordan badmouthing other players in the league to the degree that Shaq has. And if he did, the media didn't suck his balls over it like they have Shaq's.
Shaq is a walking soundbyte. Pricks make good interviews.
You think Michael Jordan didn't use them? You think Bird didn't? Magic? Wilt?A so-called dominant player should not need psyche tactics, am I right?
I get it. He's not really one of the greatest of all time. It's just that the rest of the world (outside of San Antonio) doesn't know anything about basketball.
I understand you don't like him personally. Maybe you don't even respect his game. Fair enough. Everyone's en led to their opinion.
But calling him fat is lame, if for no other reason than because it's not true.
But we can't let a silly thing like the truth get in the way of our hate, can we?
Look, I hate on Kobe all the time. But I only hate on his character. His game is undeniable.
Just like Shaq's impact on the game is undeniable.
I'm not trying to change any minds (I know that's pointless). I just have to give respect where it's due. In my opinion, Shaq's earned it. On and off the court. Rings, MVPs, Finals MVPs, solid citizen, best quote in the league since Barkley...he's got it all.
So don't watch the Heat this year. I'll enjoy it enough for all of us. , I'll even root for them. Just like when he was with the Lakers, I wanted to go through Shaq on the way to the le. That was how you knew you earned it. That's respect.
I don't recall Jordan badmouthing other players in the league to the degree that Shaq has. And if he did, the media didn't suck his balls over it like they have Shaq's.
Shaq is a walking soundbyte. Pricks make good interviews.
I think what really hurt Spurs fans was the way Shaquille exposed David Robinson for being such a common player...
And that’s not just my opinion...The Spurs owner could not wait even until after the playoffs to diss DROB in the papers...
After that things got worse...DROB sought revenge & his greed may very well have costs the Spurs another championship...That 10 million dollar contract that he held out for chased D.A. to Portland & there went that elusive 3rd scorer...
So its not just Shaquille’s rough play that Spurs fans are mad at...it’s a bunch of things...
I think what really hurt Spurs fans was the way Shaquille exposed David Robinson for being such a common player...
And that’s not just my opinion...The Spurs owner could not wait even until after the playoffs to diss DROB in the papers...
After that things got worse...DROB sought revenge & his greed may very well have costs the Spurs another championship...That 10 million dollar contract that he held out for chased D.A. to Portland & there went that elusive 3rd scorer...
So its not just Shaquille’s rough play that Spurs fans are mad at...it’s a bunch of things...
You need to get your facts straight..... DA left because of-length-of-the-contract issues... not it's net worth... In fact, he signed for slightly less with Portland but got that extra year he wanted.
And DRob's defense alone was worth what he got paid in his "second" contract. A telling stat was one mentioned on the FSSW coverage of the Knicks game. When was the last time someone dropped 50 on the Spurs?
Bernard King, 1984 was the last to do it....
That means no one ever scored 50 pts against DRob... ever!! I can think of at least three games (and most of them are recent) where someone dropped 50 pts on the Lakers with the supposedly dominant Shaq manning the lane (and a surplus of Kobe's tenacious perimeter 'D'). Antawn Jamison did it, Paul Pierce did it, and Allan Houston did it.
You need to check out the David vs. Shaq thread (I don't know if Kori put it on the classics) and look at the head to head boxscores between the two players (Kaster never came back to respond after seeing the evidence)... even if you factor out who was in their primes and when... you can't negate that your first statement is fundamentally flawed... David was not a common center. Period.
If that's all you have on Dave... it's weak... Now if you want to talk about greedy centers... let's see.... a certain 32 turned 34 (soon age will follow suit) personally shut the door on the opportunity to keep the Lakers in perennial le contention (all over 35 million dollars...and a personal feud with Kobe). Dave will be known as the most generous player of his generation... so greediness just doesn't apply.
(If you havent already noticed, dissing Dave is one of my hot buttons)
Apparently SportsCamper took Kasters approach... in being a no-show that is....
It looks to me like you are a new comer to the Spurs & their History...I was not the one who “called out” DROB during the Lakers series...It was Peter Holt....Maybe you should direct your anger at him...
Let’s review some facts shall we?
Robinson convinced Duncan to stay with the Spurs for less money to put team & Championships 1st... (hmmm I wonder how much money Duncan would be making if playing for Dr. Buss?)...
Derek Anderson... Came to the Spurs on the cheap with the promise that he would be rewarded with a nice contract...
What happened? Robinson got pounded by Shaquille in the playoffs....Humiliated is a better word....Then had the audacity to demand a starting centers salary...
One strike shorted season * le did not warrant this behavior...
Read for yourself...
For, right now, David Robinson is showing himself to be just like everyone else in the NBA: greedy and looking for that extra bit of leverage. Maybe it's naive on our part, but we expected more, a lot more, from him.
Peter May ESPN
Sportscamper...here's the deal...FatSnaq is fat. FatSnaq is a head. FatSnaq is just about the most repellent classless and dumb player to ever step foot on an NBA court. FatSnaq's dumb, unfunny, stupid, and lame attempts at humor are only witty to pre-schoolers.
These facts are more immovable than Dyan Cannon's botox inflated face. They are more reliable than Nicholson's early morning hangover. The truth they contain is thicker than the smog than hangs over the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah called LA.
Secondly...Peter May is an idiot. He obviously didn't watch the 2000-01 playoff series between LA and SA because FatSnaq wasn't the one who killed us in that series. This is typical of the negativity that was always generated towards Robinson by the big media.
Thirdly...We liked DRob better than DA, we offered DA what he wanted and he still left.
Fourthly...10 million may seem large, but that same offseason Dikembe Mutombo signed a contract for 14 mil...and he and Drob were still about the same caliber player....what's funny is that Drob held FatSnaq to his playoff lows that season while Dekemebe got butt ed by FatSnaq in the finals and everyone talked about what a great job Deke did on FatSnaq.
Fithly...Drob had already taken substantial paycuts in earlier seasons while he was worth substantially more.
Sixthly...it was Spurfans that raised when the Spurs tried to lowball Drob and strongarmed the Spurs into resigning him.
Smart move by the fans...DA sucks...and our other attempted signee Webber, hasn't played a full season since...while Drob went out in style, with eternal scoreboard on your evil franchise and putting his foot up FatSnag's big ass along the way.
Here's the deal...
You champion Lakers were a repugnant unlikable bunch of punks.
FatSnaq is a big blowhard who no one really likes other than the fact that he can dunk.
Kobe is an idiot who just blew up your team and consigned them to Clipperdom for the next half decade.
We don't like FatSnaq because he's a bigmouth dumbass that says stupid stuff. That's the truth.
The truth is that Snag has been a big lazy dumb piece of crap every season since00-01.
Yes he's fat and can still offensive foul his way to 14 dunks per game...and I can see how Lakerfan, in a desperate bid for self esteem, would be willing to overlook those things...but don't ask the rest of us to do that.
You know the Magic Lakers used to beat us too...do you hear us badmouthing them?
FatSnaq...has been a lardass for much of recent history...and a dumb one...don't lose sight of the truth. If you can't handle the truth..go do what Snaq does...eat something.
Big Dave had a school to build.
You forgot to mention that Snaq is fat.
And stupid.
Shaq has slimmed down, which makes the elbows he throws that much more bony, sharp, and dangerous. Look for a career year out of him.
He'll be the fatSnaq of old before the season is over...he'll get that way on company time of course because he'll definitely miss some games this season and he'll definitely be shoving food in his fat dumb head while he is missing those games. He'll still be able to get away with offensive fouling his team to some success...due more to the fact that he is fat, and dumb, and unlikeable, than any basketball skill contained in his fat...and dumb...person.
You know Whott, I don't dislike Shaq that much.... I just don't like people treating DRob like dirt... certain Laker fans do this, the media sometimes did it... but in the end I'm just glad Shaq (and his shoving elbows) play for the Heat...
I don't like him. He's a head.
Whottt...
Sometimes you are downright freaking hilarious.
I still think you're wrong, but that post made me laugh my ass off.
Thanks!
hegamboa- Nobody is treating DROB like dirt...I realize that Robinson is a religion in San Antonio and many of you have set up pagan shrines in your homes & that some of you believe that you receive healings by lighting candles & praying over a Spurs # 50 jersey....
But facts are facts....
DROB- coerced Duncan into signing a long-term undervalued contract because it was good for DROB...
DROB- Got even with Peter Holt’s disparaging playoff remarks, (about Shaquille pummeling Robinson) by holding out for a 10 million dollar contract...
DROB’s selfish behavior chased away a much needed 3rd scorer, (DA) & put the Spurs out of contention for a Championship run....
While I respect Robinsons play on the court...I am not ready to nominate the guy for sainthood...
Why do you people even respond to Camper. That's what feeds him. He's a troll who loves to spam and get people upset.
Remember, do not feed the animals.
This is not a troll post...It was a discussion about Saint DROB'S selfish behavior costing the Spurs a le...
While many of you like to point out other teams transgressions you seem to forget your own illustrious history...
remember, Do Not Feed The Animals.
I remember that Peter May column. It was bull then, and it's even more bull now in light of all of the money David's given to the Carver Academy.
Last edited by Spurminator; 11-20-2004 at 12:35 PM.
No... it never happened...
Duncan is the highest paid player in the NBA...
Robinson is a Saint & He Never demanded more money than he was worth....
If players left the Spurs it’s because they were bad...
I won’t hear it any other way!
dem white folks love dem some black folks pancakes yes sir...
Right... You've found out about my shrine.... and here I was trying to start this new religion as an under ground sect movement....hegamboa- Nobody is treating DROB like dirt...I realize that Robinson is a religion in San Antonio and many of you have set up pagan shrines in your homes & that some of you believe that you receive healings by lighting candles & praying over a Spurs # 50 jersey....
But facts are facts....
DROB- coerced Duncan into signing a long-term undervalued contract because it was good for DROB...
DROB- Got even with Peter Holt’s disparaging playoff remarks, (about Shaquille pummeling Robinson) by holding out for a 10 million dollar contract...
DROB’s selfish behavior chased away a much needed 3rd scorer, (DA) & put the Spurs out of contention for a Championship run....
While I respect Robinsons play on the court...I am not ready to nominate the guy for sainthood...
And now some food for the species known as Sportscamper....
Give me a break.... where is Derek Anderson now... what has he done... Had Derek stayed in San Antonio we would have never drafted Manu (who is by far my favorite player). Derek Anderson left because he didn't see eye to eye with management about the length of his contract... (again you seem to want to sidestep this issue).
And once again, you seem to sidestep the issue of a greater greedy center (your own revered Shaq-daddy). David was paid what he deserved and contributed heavily to both Spurs championships (what... in his last game -- the le game no less -- he scored 13 points on 7 shots and pulled down 17 rebounds while blocking 3 shots).
Don't be a hater if your club will end up in mediocrity this year....
If you want to believe that Daivid Robinson did not use his influence to get Tim Duncan to sign a grossly undervalued contract...Well fine...That is your prerogative...But take a look at some of the money that was being thrown around the NBA at the time...IMO...With the exception of Shaquille O’Neal...Duncan was worth far more than any of these guys...
As I said...I realize that David Robinson is more than a player to the “good people of San Antonio”...He is more of a Religion....But facts are facts...
Shaquille O'Neal $23,571,429 10-yr; 208.5M 2005-06
Scottie Pippen $19,727,524 5-yr; 67.2M 2002-03
Karl Malone $19,250,000 4-yr; 66.5M 2002-03
Kevin Garnett $25,200,000 6-yr; 126.0M 2003-04
Dikembe Mutombo $16,105,264 4-yr; 68.0M 2004-05
Juwan Howard $20,152,000 7-yr; 105.00M 2002-03
Alonzo Mourning $20,629,800 7-yr: 112.0M 2002-03
Tim Duncan $12,072,500 4-yr; $45.9M 2002-03
you say that like its a bad thing. At the end of Robinson's career, when Shaq was in his prime, he was way better than Robinson. But to say that Robinson was a "common player" is ignorant. The guy had a hall of fame career...something all the "experts" are also saying.I realize that David Robinson is more than a player to the “good people of San Antonio”...He is more of a Religion
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