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Way to go out on a limb there, but with Finley prob. playing PF it's not that much of a stretch.
He's a quite gentle beast.....but he does need to make himself more available and AWARE for the ball.....it seems to throw the other team off completely every time he touches the ball, and all he has to do is kick the ball back out.
Way to go out on a limb there, but with Finley prob. playing PF it's not that much of a stretch.
i think Dampier is starting to fit his role
Dampier is an average to mediocre center.
Hes decent defensively, can block a shot or two, but offensively has the mind of a bannana slug.
Diop seems to understand the center role in dallas better than slick hands mcgirk, so hence why he plays more.
Diop plays as good a D on Duncan as any center I've ever seen.
When Dampier is in, Duncan eats and s him out quickly,
Diop though, is smarter and seems to play him better.
EX OT game 7.
Erica sucks.
No, you're wrong. Dampier gets 25 minutes a game, Diop gets about 16. Dampier does a decent job on Duncan, considering Duncan eats and s out just about everybody quickly, that's why he's Tim Duncan, that's what he does. Part of why Diop is so effective against Duncan is that he only has to go at him for 15-20 minutes. Dampier brings a bit more muscle and bodying up, a different look if you will, while Diop can use his athleticism and agility to bother Duncan and keep him off balance.
Damp is a much better center than Diop. Diop may be a better defensive matchup on Duncan (and a few other players) but that's about it. Your opinion sounds like it's based on watching Diop play against the Spurs only.
dampier>>>leonordo di caprio.
i tend to be a damp supporter. the only time I have really been down on him was after his first run through the playoffs with us, in which he was a virtual no-show.
i dig this guy though...he gives us good minutes on a routine basis. also, as a long suffering mavs fan mediocrity at the center position looks pretty damn good to me.
dicaprio's ed gisele. the only thing dampier's ed is his team.
That's cuz you like guys with stone hands and no authority down low whatsoever. You like men you can dominate. Good for you.
that dropped pass in the Finals was definitely a shining moment for him.
if diop was capable of playing 48 minutes a game i'd do it.
people talking about how great damp is playing have no clue what a real center is supposed to do for his team. it's like praising the kid with tourette's for not saying " on a stick" 100 times a day.
ill go point by point.
...sure, he ed a hot girl. lots of hot girls go for y guys. justin timberlake banged scarlett johansson, but that doesn't mean it'll be cool to put that wigger as yr avatar or whatever either.
stone hands. have you watched any games this season? Stonehands Dampier is mostly a memory at this point. i bet if you look you will find that he has not turned the ball over with much regularity. he is frequently on the recieving end of dirk's assits of late.
as for your "shining Finals moment" diss, thats a pretty worthless criticism. no one's perfect, much less Eric Dampier who even his supporters such as myself will admit is mostly mediocre. This is no different than someone saying Dirk ain't all that cuz "remember that shining moment in Game 3 of the Finals when he missed that giant free throw?" happens...doesn't negate a player's overall contribution.
"people who say these things have no clue what the mavs need as center play."/"no authority downlow" forgetting that damp scores a whole lot of two handed dunks for someone with "no authority," mav's centers are in there to grab rebounds in traffic and play solid team defense, maybe collect a block or two while they are at it. by that measure dampier does a nice job. don't need the 5's bogging down and controlling the offense in the low post like you seem to be suggesting so authoritatively.
Last edited by pussyface; 03-23-2007 at 06:23 PM.
Anybody that's stuck his in Gisele or Scarlett Johansson deserves a salute, and is more than worthy to be on my avatar. Of course I suppose when it's somebody like you who is into ing other dudes, you're far too manly for that sort of thing.
Funny, everybody was saying the exact same thing at this time last season. And then came the playoffs...
Everyone makes mistakes, sure. Some people more than others. Some a lot more than others. And then there's Erick Dampier, who damn near turns " ing things up" into an Olympic sport.
That would be a valid point except for the fact that among his mistakes, Dirk also contributes 20+ points, 10+ rebounds, numerous assists, leadership, and even some defense. Dampier gives you 7 and 6 and else.
It's easy to make one dunk a game when the other team has NO RESPECT FOR YOUR OFFENSIVE ABILITIES WHATSOEVER. With the amount of times I see him sitting around without anybody within three feet of him on offense, he oughta be scoring 20 points a night. Of course, if he got the ball passed to him any more than he gets it already, Avery's head might explode at the amount of times the ball bounces off his hands and goes out of bounds. And Diop is even getting dunks these days so what's your point there?
and diop does an even better job. also offensively, diop isn't too far behind dampier (which really isn't a compliment at all for diop, just stating that he's equally worthless offensively while being better defensively and showing a significant amount more authority and assertion).
I think you're being unnecessarily harsh on Damp. I didn't start this thread suggesting he was the second coming of Bill Russell or Bill Walton, just that he has had a positive impact and exhibited a consistency that was missing his first two years in Dallas. I'll be the first to concede that he is a flawed player. When it comes to a true center*, after Yao, Shaq, Howard and Curry, there's a huge dropoff. Dampier is arguably the best of the rest.
Not to mention that your emphasis on Dampier's stastistics is misguided. Most basketball statistics only measure what happens when a player touches the ball. Point guards have the ball in their hands about 30% of the time, whereas it's 10% for everybody else. So most conventional basketball statistics only capture about 10% of what Dampier does on the court. It doesn't measure him bodying up Eddy Curry and forcing him to set up 2 feet farther out on the blocks than he would like, thus resulting in a weak post move and a missed shot leading to a defensive rebound. It doesn't measure when he aggressively comes out to show at the top of the key. It doesn't measure when he sets a good screen or busts his ass to get back on D. Dampier is leaving it out on the court this year. I've seen him with my own eyes take better care of the ball.
And considering the offensive weapons we have with Dirk, Jet, Howard, Devin and Stackhouse, Dampier is a fifth option, at best. If he's scoring lots of points then something is wrong. His job is to body up opposing bigs, show on screens, clean up loose change with putbacks on the offensive glass, rebound and hustle. He's doing his job well this year. His role is not to be Hakeem Olajuwon. He's more of a Bill Cartwright/Mark Eaton/James Donaldson serviceable type. His job is to basically not be a liability. He's accomplished that with ease this year, and he's a big part of why we're 57-11.
* I consider guys like Amare, Duncan and Gasol to be fours.
Last edited by Findog; 03-23-2007 at 11:39 PM.
not sure about all this justin timeberlake, leo dicaprio talk but i do know one thing....trainwreck's pokemon avatar always makes me laugh
30%+10%=40%.
???
where is the other 60%?
perhaps you mean PG's have it about 90% of the time?
It comes out to an average of 18 percent each for the other four guys on the floor. Being the fifth offensive option, Dampier probably touches the ball only 10% of the time. I should've stated that differently. My bad.
I wouldn't say he's doing his job well. I'd just say he's sucking less. And I ask again....last year at this exact time, wasn't the talk of Mavs Land "hey! all things considered Dampier isn't doing half bad! Awesome!" Look how that turned out once the most unassertive player in the NBA had to face some playoff intensity.
And don't give me any "he was great in game 2" ....I could care less what he did to put us up 2-0 in a series that we lost 4-2 that involved a series of constant ups from him.
Except not as serviceable as any of those three. How many of them got 10 million a year? Honest question, I have no idea.
I'm glad the Mavericks have 10 million dollars in their budget to have a guy try his best to not suck as much as he normally does. You can say "the money really doesn't matter" but it really does. If money really didn't matter, Michael Finley would still be on this team. But with the price they were paying versus the production they were getting, it made no sense for Finley to stick around. For the amount they're paying Dampier, he is underacheiving by a HEFTY margin. If there's no way to cut our losses with the guy, then at least demand a little more out of him.
Like I said, if we're not asking him to score, and all we're doing is asking him to body up, grab boards, and block shots.....then why is Dampier playing at all. We have Diop for all that, and Diop does it a of a lot better than Damp.
Last edited by monosylab1k; 03-24-2007 at 02:20 AM.
I have a question, Damp or the Preying Mantis? Damp and Diop have been the best Centers the Mavs have had since James Donaldson. Who could the Mavs get better without giving up half the team and still have a chance to win it all? Giving all of that, Damp deserves some props. Before Damp got to the Mavs, what props did the Mavs Centers get?
monosylab you just might be my favorite mavs poster
good points about dampier, though i have to admit, he has won me over recently with his play, you have seen a lot more Mavs games than I have so I definitely think there is a lot of merit to your argument.
and yeah, I (surprisingly) agree with T park in that from the spurs vs mavs games I've seen, Diop does a very solid job on Duncan as his length does seem to bug him a bit
not sure, has something to do with the way all the characters fade out (pull to the background)
WTF?!?!??!!? monosylab is overrated, it's all about ponky!
What about Roy Tarpley?
Seriously, everybody on this board is in love with stone-handed centers who come up small in big moments - I can't believe Purple & Gold and Bob Lanier tried to tell me Kwame Brown was one of the best centers in the game as well.
Bla-dow!
if the Celtics last won a championship in 1986, how does that stand the test of time? by my count thats 20 years (21 years cause they arent winning this year
And I ask again....last year at this exact time, wasn't the talk of Mavs Land "hey! all things considered Dampier isn't doing half bad! Awesome!"
I don't know. I wasn't posting on Spurstalk at this time last year. Nobody was making commentary like that on the Lone Mavs forum. In any event, that's not evidence that he's playing poorly this year.
Look how that turned out once the most unassertive player in the NBA had to face some playoff intensity.
And don't give me any "he was great in game 2" ....I could care less what he did to put us up 2-0 in a series that we lost 4-2 that involved a series of constant ups from him.
Are you still going on about ONE play? How bout that dunk in Game Five to momentarily put us up when Dirk was smothered by a triple team and Damp cut to the basket and slammed it home? I don't remember his playoff performance being any different, for better or worse, than his regular season performance. If you want to dissect Game Six, what about how we as a team kept jacking up contested three-pointers when both Shaq and Mourning were sitting on the bench?
Except not as serviceable as any of those three. How many of them got 10 million a year? Honest question, I have no idea.
How about they all played in a different era when salaries were not what they are today, and evaluating a player's contributions is a separate issue as to whether or not he's "earning" his salary?
Like I said, there's really only four premier franchise centers. I would agree that Dampier is overpaid, but not by much. Bigs are inherently more valuable and get more money than smalls. That's just the way it is. Evaluating his contributions is a separate matter from evaluating whether or not he's overpaid. Mark Cuban is the one who offered 10 million a year to a midlevel guy. What was Dampier supposed to do, say "No Mr. Cuban, I have trouble posting a double-double, could you please give me the midlevel instead?"
If you have a problem with Dampier's compensation, email Cuban about it. I think we have the second-highest payroll in the league after the Knicks and we have a lot of dead money still going out to Finley, Bradley, Eschmeyer and Wahid. Cuban is not a tightwad and he's demonstrated a willingness to go into luxury tax territory to field a contender. So why do you care so much about Dampier's contract?
I've watched the Mavs religiously for years and with my own eyes I've seen a much more effective center than I did his first two years in Dallas. You keep harping on a play here and a play there. Nobody is arguing that he's Wilt Chamberlain or that he's perfect. If you're going to condemn Dampier harshly for not making a play here or there, then you're going to have to be equally harsh on other players for the sake of consistency. As long as a guy is giving 100%, which I think Damp is doing for us this year, then it's folly to question a guy's heart, desire and resolve, or that he's not naturally as talented or good as Shaq or Kareem.
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