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    Elbows of Fury TonyParkerSux's Avatar
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    Kobe is the best all around player in the league, and it's not even close. With all of these huge scoring games, it's easy to foget that he is all NBA defense as well.

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    Best all around player? Perhaps. He could block and steal more... /sarcasm

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    got jipped for MVP last year.

    Unfortunately itll go to that skirt wearing nazi jackass in dallas.
    Is FatBas bitter?

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    Kobe is the best all around player in the league, and it's not even close. With all of these huge scoring games, it's easy to foget that he is all NBA defense as well.
    Yea, dont see anyone in the league that is close to him right now, basically able to will his teams to victories, and then your hear the Mav fans saying Dirk is still better, year ing right

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    Yea, dont see anyone in the league that is close to him right now, basically able to will his teams to victories, and then your hear the Mav fans saying Dirk is still better, year ing right
    I guess I would conceed that Dirk is a little bit more of a matchup problem for most teams and maybe because of that he is more difficult to gaurd... but as an all around player, I think that Kobe is MUCh better. Dirk will get some good stats, but as you said, his ability to take over and dominate games does not even compare to Bryant. I very well may be biased on this one, but I think that Kobe wins that argument based on his killer instinct and defense alone.

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    Best all around player? Perhaps. He could block and steal more... /sarcasm
    lol.

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    Well they lost like 5 straight then 7 straight largely due to injuries, people forget that Luke and Lamar were BALLIN' before they got injured.. now that both guys are back it's only a matter of time, and they will be ready once the Playoffs arrive. Bryant knows that they can't continue to win like that, he didn't win 3 rings not knowing this. (Also possibly a Lakers-Spurs First Round and that could be entertaining, I'm hoping for Lakers-Suns myself but I have my reasons )

    I think in Kobe and Phils mind, they just want to make the playoffs. They are 4 games from being a lottery team...i think Phil is giving the go ahead to play like this.

    Also...Kobe scoring 50+ can win against certain teams in the playoffs. Maybe not the suns..but definately the mavs. We've all seen what one hot player can do to the Mavs.

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    Actually Kobe scored 50+ against the suns last year in the first round. Still, at first everyone was congratulatory towards KB24...now the hate is coming through. As we get older these games will be reveared and talked about and debated ad naseum. This is why people watch, for records to be broken.

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    Just thought you Laker fans would like to see this

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    That's a great pic...showing 5 Grizzlies and only 1 laker....kind of 1 man show.

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    Thing is........... Why is it taking him to score that much to beat a team like the grizz????

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    I guess I would conceed that Dirk is a little bit more of a matchup problem for most teams and maybe because of that he is more difficult to gaurd... but as an all around player, I think that Kobe is MUCh better. Dirk will get some good stats, but as you said, his ability to take over and dominate games does not even compare to Bryant. I very well may be biased on this one, but I think that Kobe wins that argument based on his killer instinct and defense alone.
    I agree. Dirk is the #1 toughest matchup in the league but Kobe is a better all-around player (not even that close IMO).

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    I agree. Dirk is the #1 toughest matchup in the league but Kobe is a better all-around player (not even that close IMO).

    Dirk's unique cobonation of size with his skill set porivide a definate matchup problem for any team in the league. There just isn't anyone who can match up on both ends of the floor, so teams have to switch on him alot. He is an excellent player, and I will also adit that his defense seems to have improved quite a bit (though nowhere near Kobe's level), but he still has to prove that he can close out big games.

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    Dirk's unique cobonation of size with his skill set porivide a definate matchup problem for any team in the league. There just isn't anyone who can match up on both ends of the floor, so teams have to switch on him alot. He is an excellent player, and I will also adit that his defense seems to have improved quite a bit (though nowhere near Kobe's level), but he still has to prove that he can close out big games.
    Yeah, people forget how good Kobe is on defense.

    I believe there was recent poll taken (of GM's/coaches) in regards to who was the #1 matchup problem in the league and Dirk was voted first by a large margin. I'll try to find where I read that. That doesn't translate to being the best player by any means though. It just means he's unique for being a great shooter and being 7ft tall.

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    Yeah, people forget how good Kobe is on defense. I believe there was recent poll taken (of GM's/coaches) in regards to who was the #1 matchup problem in the league and Dirk was voted first by a large margin. I'll try to find where I read that. That doesn't translate to being the best player by any means though. It just means he's unique for being a great shooter and being 7ft tall.
    If his shot is on and he is driving to the basket aggressively, Dirk is almost impossible to stop. He shoots over smalls and bigs with that overhead fadeaway, and he can easily just go around most bigs. Even his post game has improved. He's definately a player that a team has to plan around.

    Honestly, before the Finals, I always thought that Dirk was supposed to be pretty clutch in tight situations. It seems that since then his "choking" has become a self-fullfilling prophecy.

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    If his shot is on and he is driving to the basket aggressively, Dirk is almost impossible to stop. He shoots over smalls and bigs with that overhead fadeaway, and he can easily just go around most bigs. Even his post game has improved. He's definately a player that a team has to plan around.

    Honestly, before the Finals, I always thought that Dirk was supposed to be pretty clutch in tight situations. It seems that since then his "choking" has become a self-fullfilling prophecy.
    He's made a bunch of clutch shots and free throws this year (and last year in the regular season & playoffs) but most of the nation saw him miss that one free throw in the finals. Plus, he had a bad series but I really attribute a lot of that to Haslem as he did a GREAT job on Dirk. My point is...I really don't think Dirk has an issue with choking but he's going to have to prove it in the playoffs this year. It's difficult for 90% free throw shooters as when they only shoot 80% and miss an important free throw then it's considered choking.
    Whereas, if you're a Tim Duncan and miss key free throws, you get a pass since you're not a great free throw shooter.

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    He's made a bunch of clutch shots and free throws this year (and last year in the regular season & playoffs) but most of the nation saw him miss that one free throw in the finals. Plus, he had a bad series but I really attribute a lot of that to Haslem as he did a GREAT job on Dirk. My point is...I really don't think Dirk has an issue with choking but he's going to have to prove it in the playoffs this year. It's difficult for 90% free throw shooters as when they only shoot 80% and miss an important free throw then it's considered choking.
    Whereas, if you're a Tim Duncan and miss key free throws, you get a pass since you're not a great free throw shooter.
    Well it's not the overall game %'s that people are focusing on, it os the free throws missed in late game situations, and the missed shots from the floor. I'm not sure about Dirk, but I know for sure that LeBron's (who seems to have many of the same issues despite his game winning shot against the Wizzards last year) %'s go WAY down in the final few minutes of a game. I would be willing to bet that the same is true of Dirk. As we mentioned in another thread, even MJ23 has been qouted as saying that he missed more game winning shots than he made. I believe we also mentioned the free throw issue. MJ, Kobe, DWade...all considered to be great in the clutch.. all would have made those free throws. I don't mean for this to be a knock on Dirk at all, he is an unbelieveably talented player. It just seems that he still needs to prove it on the biggest stages and at the most important times.

    That's true about Duncan though, and equally inexcuseable. I think that it's more difficult to label a player like Duncan, Shaq, or Dwight Howard as clutch though, mainly because their game demands that they play so close to the basket.

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    Kobe with 27 at the half

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    Kobe with 27 at the half
    lol yeah could've been more but Phil seems to want other guys to be involved abit, but Sasha missed like 3 straight open 3s and Farmar missed a setup at the end of the half.

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    Kobe, 37 points with 9 minutes left in the 3rd

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    lol yeah could've been more but Phil seems to want other guys to be involved abit, but Sasha missed like 3 straight open 3s and Farmar missed a setup at the end of the half.
    No wonder Kobe shoots alot...the rest keeps bricking

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    39 with a quarter and a half left

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    42 pts with 3 min left in the 3rd quarter!

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    Omg..he finally missed a shot this half! lol

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    Phil sits Kobe down with a minute left in the 3rd, with 44 points and an 18 point lead.

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