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I forgot Leaonard Davis was! my bad. Smoot is good but had some idiotic moments that wore out his welcome like a yacht cruise or something like that.
That has to do with everything, the more picks you have the better your team will eventually be, the less you have shows a poorly run franchise unless your getting value in return, which the Skins dont
I forgot Leaonard Davis was! my bad. Smoot is good but had some idiotic moments that wore out his welcome like a yacht cruise or something like that.
i don't think smoot played well at all last year. could be wrong though.
Smoot played like and got benched at the end of the year. And the Skins drafted Rocky McIntosh last year, it was pretty much their only decent pick, they traded the rest away for trash.
Was hurt a little and was in the doghouse too. Lets talk about Leaonard Davis and that huge contract.. Thats what I thought
And you realize that the Skins have already traded their 2, 3, and 4th round picks this year. Yea, they got it together alright
Yup we talked about that already but those were last seasons mistakes. What about Leonard Davis??
Lets talk about it. Look at what other guys at his position were getting this offseason. Dockery, Walker, Petigout, all getting huge contracts without the youth or potential of Davis. The Redskins were trying there hardest to sign him as well, but couldnt get the deal done because they cant do anything right. He might not have had the best career up to this point, but niether did a lot of guys in Arizona, then blossomed after getting traded.
like who? Novacek. what a joke!
Out of all those guys Davis is the worst and got the biggest $$ nice Jerry
hadn't he been playing out of position? jerry isn't the best by far but he's nowhere near as bad as snyder.
his only position should be left out.
Recently? Thomas Jones, Kyle Vandebosch, David Barrett, Corey Chavous, Simeon Rice, and one could argue Jake Plummer
Yea he came into the league as a tackle and was moved to guard his first three years.
Rice Maybe but that was a long time ago the rest you are reaching. good luck with Davis Dallas will be doing what the skins did with archuleta next year
What year is he in now? He is a careeer underachiever face it guys its ok my team had been signing those types for years you will get through it.
Im reaching? Did you watch the ing Super Bowl last year? Did you see Thomas jones run over everyone last year. Did you even know Vandenbosch had nearly 20 sacks the last two years? Chavous and Barrett have both made Pro Bowls, so Im not reaching, you just dont know that much about football
Yea I am going to have to go with Mardigan on this one. A lot of players leave arizona and do much better. Leonard davis got paid because of the availability , supply and demand is not that hard to understand. He will automatically look much better than he did in Arizona because he will not have around him. He will not be near as exposed as he was in Arizona. I agree he is not an pro bowler and has underachieved, but it is hard to not underachieve when the orginization you are apart of has underachieved for years. He will be motivated and have other guys who are better than him to push him, he will be good.
Totally agree with you K, its hard to pick up blitzers when you dont have any other offensive linemen around you, which he will have in Dallas. Can you imagine if he plays left guard next to Flozell? Biggest left side ever
He had me until this....
There are several smart Redskin fans on this site...this guy isn't one of them.like who? Novacek. what a joke!
This went from a Ken Hamlin thread to a "How much does Leonard Davis really suck?" thread. Hamlin is fast, but only slightly better than Roy in pass coverage. Ehh, rather have him than Watkins or Davis.
while we are speaking of safeties, this was good article on Woodson and what he thinks of Hamlin and the current safeties.
The Safety Woody Provided
Mickey Spagnola - Email
DallasCowboys.com Columnist
March 22, 2007 7:30 PM Change Font Size A A A A
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?editorialAuthor=1&id=7C35828F-F093-D2EC-657C16E92C35AB73
IRVING, Texas - Darn Darren Woodson.
Darn Jimmy Johnson.
Darn Jerry Jones.
The fault is all theirs. To me, they're the reason why the Cowboys can't find a suitable safety. They're the reason why you guys can't get safety off your minds. They're the reason why it appears the Cowboys struggle so at the safety position.
Face it, we're spoiled. For 12 years safety was never a problem. Didn't matter if James Washington was back there or Thomas Everett or Brock Marion or George Teague or Omar Stoutmire or Izell Reese or Roy Williams.
As long as Woody was back there.
I'm telling you, spoiled rotten. And even though he hasn't played the past three seasons, because of the void created by his absence - as long as the Lincoln Tunnel and as wide as the Mississippi - no one has forgotten Darren Woodson.
Need someone to drop in the box to play the run? Get Woody.
Need someone to play Cover 2? Woody was your man.
Need a safety to drop into the slot on the nickel and go one-on-one with the opponent's top receiver? Get Woody.
Need someone to reroute receivers and sink into zone? No problem, Woody.
Need someone to run your defense, get guys lined up and tip them off to what was about to happen? I'm telling you, Woody.
"That was the convenience they had," Woodson says modestly. "That allowed us to blitz, come up and cover or play the run like a strong safety."
Not "that," but him, a football man for all positions, something former Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson recognized back in 1992 when the Cowboys used a second-round pick to select this hybrid linebacker out of Arizona State, thinking they could convert him to a safety but really not knowing for sure.
That's why Woodson spent his rookie season playing in the slot on the nickel and special teams, that's it. Johnson figured the conversion from run-around college linebacker to NFL safety would be too much for one so young, especially on a team destined for greatness.
Ha, big mistake, and Johnson would tell me that a few years later, that had he known Woodson was so smart and so dedicated and prepared so well, he would have asked him to do much more that first season. He thought it had been a waste of talent.
"It was a big adjustment," Woodson admitted.
But he had been properly prepared. You might not have known this, but his position coach at Arizona State just happened to be one Lovie Smith. Yep, that Lovie Smith, at the time the Sun Devils' linebackers coach.
"He made me go cover with the corners in practice," said Woodson, having spent the past two seasons working mid-week for ESPN after unsuccessfully recovering from back surgery during that 2004 season. "I did all the drills," meaning covering wide receivers, running backs out of the backfield and tight ends.
Then when he got to Dallas, "Jimmy forced me to go cover with the corners."
So that rookie season, while serving his safety apprenticeship, Woody worked on the scout team . . . at cornerback. That meant he was being asked to cover the likes of Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper. And back in those days, the scout team played much more compe ively in practice than those guys do these days. They just weren't the Harlem Globetrotters' lackey Washington Generals as they mostly are nowadays.
Then when he took over as the strong safety starter in 1993, turning Washington into a nickel safety, Woodson was the team's defensive ombudsman. Oh sure, he played strong safety, but when the Cowboys went to nickel, he simply moved into the slot, and it didn't matter if some Jerry Rice was there or not, he covered one-on-one. That allowed the deep safeties to help the corners, too, but also preserved the threat of a blitz off the slot and a guy sturdy enough to play the run if those sneaky draws were called.
"It was a convenience not to play a third corner," Woodson said. "Now (the way the Cowboys played it) you got to bring in another corner (Aaron Glenn), move (Terence) Newman into the slot, and it's obvious what you're doing."
He means, Newman is covering. Because if Newman is asked to blitz, then you got either Roy Williams or Pat Watkins or Keith Davis taking the slot receiver. Not on your life.
Woody uses the word "convenience." Me, I choose luxury, and one Jones certainly appreciated, and went out of his way financially to ensure. He never let Woodson never leave The Ranch. In fact, the owner and his head coach, Bill Parcells, tried luring Woodson out of retirement when the Cowboys sprung a leak at safety the past two years.
After all, when you are used to a certain lifestyle . . . .
And that leads us to today's Cowboys searching, as far as I'm concerned, in vain for a safety in Woodson's mold. Just don't think that cat exits, and have this distinct feeling they come around maybe once a decade or two.
So they try to do the best they can pairing someone up with Williams, who just doesn't have the speed or speedy recognition to be an asset in coverage. So far they have gone through Tony Dixon, Lynn Scott, Keith Davis, Patrick Watkins, Marcus Coleman and Tony Parrish.
That's why four-year veteran Ken Hamlin was in on Wednesday for a visit, and the club has begun contract negotiations with his agent, Kennard McGruire. He's at least been a 52-game starter at Seattle, but the Cowboys must ask themselves why the Seahawks decided to let him walk in free agency and instead sign safeties Deon Grant and Brian Russell to contracts totaling nearly $15 million in guaranteed money. The reason wasn't money, or cap space.
As far as Woodson is concerned, Hamlin is just a bigger Keith Davis, a guy who can give you what you want playing in the box against the run but with limited coverage skills. Certainly not a guy who can jump into the slot in coverage nor be left in a whole lot of single-safety high coverage while Williams prowls around underneath.
For Woodson's money, Watkins is the guy.
"He has more upside than any safety out there," Woodson said. "They just need to give him time. He was a rookie, and he made some rookie mistakes."
This is not to say Watkins is the next Woodson. But let's face it, Watkins was but a fifth-round draft choice, and the Cowboys asked him to start nine games this year, along with one in the playoffs. That's a lot of responsibility for a 23-year-old kid. Woodson, a second-round pick, started two games his rookie season, and he went on to five Pro Bowl appearances.
But the Cowboys should remember they made a nine-start investment in Watkins, and really, when he regained his starting job the final three games of the season he looked much more comfortable out there and his play vastly improved.
"They just got to tell him, 'You are the quarterback of the defense and you got to become more vocal,'" Woodson said of Watkins. "It doesn't matter that Aaron Glenn is out there or Terence Newman or Roy Williams. He has to take over and line guys up.
"Roy's not going to line guys up, and he doesn't communicate much out there. They just got to tell him you got to be the leader. He's the guy with the abilities. He can run."
There, Woodson has spoken, but he's earned the right to speak on this subject. He's the reason the Cowboys are in this safety predicament.
Darn him. Why couldn't he have played for 20 years, or until the next him came around?
I am so excited and I just cant hide it
Thomas Jones ran over people! lmaol
For 1200 yards last year, i guess thats reaching
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