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    Alot of people would be Nazis if it wasn't for the US? You're saying that accepting the help of the US obligates France to do anything the Us wants it to? Even if it doesn't agree with it? That's stupid.

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    Um, no. He's saying we bailed their asses out and now they're a bunch of ing sellouts and sackless wonders (when the chips are down in war time).

    We gave them 125K of our young and precious American lives to save their country, and all it took was 1.7 billion from Saddam to Chirac for him to sell us out.

    That's an insult to every American, in both WWI and WWII, who bailed their sackless ass out of trouble.

    An insult to the victims of the Lockerbee Flight that was bombed by Libya. An insult to all those who fought and died in Vietnam (that was originally France's war).

    An insult to any and all troops we lost over in Bosnia, because the sorry ass French, among others, couldn't handle things in their own backyard.

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    to begging for us to bail them out in Vietnam
    Nice pics. The French never begged us to bail them out of Vietnam. The U.S. was still fighting the colonial wars with Britian and France at this time, but in a under-handed way. The U.S. wanted France out of Asia, so we gave the precursor to the Vietcong weapons (left overs from WW2) to attack a French weapons depot. That surprising defeat gave the rebels all the ammo and momentum they needed to force the French out of Vietnam. As in Afghanistan, the administration at the time didn't know what a kind of a hornets nest they were sturring in Vietnam by supporting the rebels until a decade later.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    There are about 125,000 young Americans who never made it back across the Atlantic after fighting for the freedom of France. The French desecrate the sacrifice made by these young men by being the ungrateful bas s they have always been. They have been taken over twice by Germany in the last 100 years, and they would be Nazis right now had it not been for America.
    For the freedom of France? The U.S. was fighting for the liberty and freedom of the U.S.. The battles just happened to be in France. Thanks to trench war-fare in the war that would end all wars, that would make any of the chickenhawks on this board cry like babies in their boots, the french lost 1,375,800 troops. The U.S. total fatality count in WW1 dwarfed at 125,000.

    For those who are intrested in real info on the bravado of French troops in WW1, and less spin from those on the right, here is a great essay on the horrors of trench-warfare during the last Great War...

    The first World War was a horrible experience for all sides
    involved. No one was immune to the effects of this global conflict and
    each country was affected in various ways. However, one area of
    relative comparison can be noted in the experiences of the French and
    German soldiers. In gaining a better understanding of the French
    experience, Wilfred Owen's Dulce et Decorum Est was particularly
    useful. Regarding the German soldier's experience, various selections
    from Erice Maria Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front proved to
    be a valuable source of insight. A analysis of the above mentioned
    sources, one can note various similarities between the German and
    French armies during World War I in the areas of trench warfare,
    ill-fated troops, and military technology. Trench warfare was totally
    unbiased. The trench did not discriminate between cultures. This "new
    warfare" was unlike anything the world had seen before, millions of
    people died during a war that was supposed to be over in time for the
    holidays. Each side entrenched themselves in makeshift bunkers that
    attempted to provide protection from the incoming s s and brave
    soldiers. After receiving an order to overtake the enemies bunker,
    soldiers trounced their way through the land between the opposing
    armies that was referred to as "no man's land." The direness of the
    war was exemplified in a quotation taken from Remarque's All Quiet on
    the Western Front, "Attacks alternate with counter-attacks and slowly
    the dead pile up in the field of craters between the trenches. We
    are able to bring in most of the wounded that do not lie too far off.
    But many have long to wait and we listen to them dying." (382) After
    years of this trench warfare, corpses of both German and French
    soldiers began to pile up and soldiers and civilians began to realize
    the futility of trench warfare.
    However, it was many years before any major thrusts were made
    along the Western front. As soldiers past away, recruits were ushered
    to the front to replenish the dead and crippled. These recruits were
    typically not well prepared for the rigors of war and were very often
    mowed down due to their stupidity. Both the French and Germans were
    guilty of sending ill-prepared youths to the front under the guise
    that "It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country." (380) Owen's
    Dulce et Decorum Est is a prime example of this "false optimism"
    created by the military machine in France to recruit eager new troops
    to die a hero's death on the front lines. Remarque also alluded to the
    fact incompetent young recruits were sentence to death. In reference
    to the young recruits Remarque stated, "It brings a lump into the
    throat to see how they go over, and run and fall. A man would like to
    spank them, they are so stupid, and to take them by the arm and lead
    them away from here where they have no business to be." (383)
    Millions of French and German soldiers, both young and old lost
    their lives during this world-wide struggle for survival. It is not
    necessary for one to go through an intense amount of abstraction in
    order to note similarities in the weaponry each side employed during
    the first World War. "Bombardment, barrage, curtain-fire, mines, gas,
    tanks, machine-guns, hand grenades" were all weapons that served the
    same purpose. (383) It did not matter if these weapons were in the
    hands of German or French soldiers, they all indiscriminately dealt
    death to the opposition. Gas was a particularly horrid creation. It
    would seeming spring out of the ground without much notice and if one
    did not seek the security of a gas mask, dreams would be smothered
    "under a green sea" and as one solider stated (in reference to those
    who were caught up in the pungent clouds of death) "He plunges at me,
    guttering, choking, drowning." (380) Typical sights for soldiers on
    any given day were "men without mouths, without jaws, without faces;
    we find one man who has held the artery of his arm in his teeth for
    two hours in order not to bleed to death. (384) The destructive
    weapons of war contributed to the massive amount of death neither the
    French nor German army could escape.
    Both the accounts looked at in this inquiry unveil a mass of
    similarities between German and French soldiers during the First World
    War. Based on Remarque's firsthand encounters with trench warfare in
    World War I and Owen's vivid descriptions of the French soldiers
    experiences it is unduly apparent that many perished along the Western
    front. All of this death rarely yielded more than a few hundred yards
    for the "victor." However, regarding trench warfare, one could argue
    that there were no victors, only losers in a hopeless battle for
    territorial supremacy.
    Cyber Essay





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    We get it Dan! The French are the shining example for all to see. The part we don't get though is why you live here instead of with those "brave" French. Begone from us. We don't deserve you. Thanks for opening our eyes.

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    The U.S. was still fighting the colonial wars with Britian and France at this time, but in a under-handed way. The U.S. wanted France out of Asia, so we gave the precursor to the Vietcong weapons (left overs from WW2) to attack a French weapons depot.
    Um, no. Paris made a diplomatic request for assistance against the rising tide of communism in east Asia, and with the Cold War being what it was we obliged.

    Dumb jock, you shouldn't have skipped all those history classes.

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    http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php French Troops Shoot Unarmed Civilians In this MPEG video, you can see French troops firing indiscriminately on unarmed Ivory Coast civilians (If you want to see the MPEG video, it is 100.7MB big. Go to Little Green Footballs to download it.)


    I want to see what kind of stink the MSM will make of a bunch of French soldiers shooting unarmed civilians!! At least the man that our Marine shot was a TERRORIST, who the day before had been shooting at and probably killing our Marines...

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