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there is no real mav vs suns rival, people just assume that when the top 2 teams play that its a rivalry imo its just another game for both teams
Spurs vs. Mavericks
Suns vs. Mavericks
Heat vs. Pistons
spurs-mavs by far.
there is no real mav vs suns rival, people just assume that when the top 2 teams play that its a rivalry imo its just another game for both teams
Not yet.I like Spurs vs Mavs better. Though I still don't think the Mavs Spurs rivalry is on the same level as the Lakers Spurs rivalry from back in the day
By your logic, the Suns can't have rivalries with any elite teams in the west, then.
By your logic, the Suns can't have rivalries with any elite teams in the west, then.
I guess you weren't around when the Suns eliminated the Mavs two years ago.
The Mavs were elite two years ago?
Really? Someone should have told the rest of the NBA. No one had them going past the WCF. In fact, the Suns were heavily favored in that series.
To review: The Suns have never defeated an elite WC team in the Steven Nash era.
What a clown...they beat a Mavs team that won 58 games. Same roster and coach thats got 61 wins right now. Thats not elite?
But the real point is that I never said that the Suns have a rivalry with the Mavs or Spurs, did I?
I said that Spurs fans were kidding themselves claiming they had a rivalry with the Lakers earlier in the decade.
Getting your asses handed to you three out of four years without your opponent even blinking an eye isn't a rivalry.
I saw all I needed to see in 2001 when the over-hyped WCF showdown between the Spurs and Lakers ended in a collosal sweep.
Whats funny is that you cant even fallow your own argument. Not only that, but your also showing that you lack bringing up the facts when it comes to the series between the two teams. If your going to argue head to head playoff match ups do some research before talking out of your ass first. The Spurs have faced the Lakers in the playoffs 5 times since 99'.
99' Conference semis- Spurs win 4-0
01' Conference finals- Lakers win 4-0
02' Conference semis- Lakers win 4-1
03' Conference semis- Spurs win 4-2
04' Conference semis- Lakers win 4-2
05' L.A. didn't even make the playoffs, and in 06' they lost in the first round. And as of right now, were set to meat again in the first round of this years playoffs. Now by your logic a team has to "exchange victories" for it to be a rivalry. Right now in recent history the current exchange between the two is 3-2 in favor of the Lakers. But that can change if we win the first round match up this year, making it a 3-3 tie. So whats your excuse now?
Spurs-Mavs, hands down. On a similar topic, the tix for the last Spurs/Mavs game are the highest I've seen all seaosn on Ebay...$300 and up for upper level seats which sell from between $18-38. I think the high prices are a result of the Spurs-Mavs rivalry and fan appreciation day (cuban gave away airline tix last season). I'd rather save that money for playoff tix, especially because I'm thinking Avery will rest his guys.
Yep, that's why I'm selling my tix on EBay. I think I'll get a lot more than they're worth (particularly for a game that won't matter).
Too bad the Pacers have self destructed...we always could count on a good fight taking place every game.
haha, too bad. You've been so thoroughly owned by THE SIXTH MAN that I barely need to respond to this now.
LMAO @ Spurs fans bringing up the lockout year.
Some people never learn.
No, he hasn't... THE SIXTH MAN's post was terrible.
First off, when you shorten years, the apostrophe is supposed to go in front of the year (i.e. '99 instead of 99').
Secondly, I'm pretty sure da_suns_fan was talking about how the Mavs and Suns have split EVERY game they've played in the past 3 years... as in, they've split the season series and they each beat the other 4-2 in consecutive years in the playoffs.
Therefore, the Lakers are NOT up simply 3-2 on the Spurs... they are in fact, up 14-11 based on the playoff data THE SIXTH MAN provided. Now, if you want to compare them the way we do the Suns/Mavs, then you need to find regular season data since '99 for the Spurs/Lakers and try to show how close that rivalry was.
Comparing a rivalry based upon regular season data?
Yep. Definitely a Suns fan.
Rivalries are made in the POST-SEASON. Not because you've played two series in the past 10 years and traded punches.
Well Said.
Funny how everyone in SA Called the LAKERS their Rivals.
Suns-Mavs for most entertaining rivalry.
Spurs-Mavs for most important rivalry.
As for which rivalry is "best", that's a judgment call.
it is not heat vs lakers
Sounds about right to me.
If the Suns eliminate the Spurs in the 2nd round, though, I imagine Suns-Mavs will become the more important rivalry.
Can't we just have a three-way rivalry?
Well..the Lakers/Spurs "rivalry" might get some juice if the Lakers beat the Spurs this year.
Judging by their season series, I'd say thats a possibility.
The Nuggets would have made the same assumption in the past.
as a Mavs fan i say the Spurs-Mavs. the Suns have never beaten an elite team. they beat the Mavs two years ago with mostly the same roster, BUT no Diop, Devin Harris has come a long way since, Howard has improved, Dirk has stepped his game way up.
sure we won 58 games but that was just the regular season
Nit picky are we?No, he hasn't... THE SIXTH MAN's post was terrible.
First off, when you shorten years, the apostrophe is supposed to go in front of the year (i.e. '99 instead of 99').
Well your assuming wrong on behalf of da_suns_fan, he even said it himself that he wasn't talking about the mav/suns rivalry. I'm going by his logic, as in playoff match ups. Go back and reread his posts. Again strictly by his logic. Besides who the goes by season series when deciding NBA rivalries? For example the games that are to be played with in the next couple of weeks will be meaningless due to teams sitting out their best players. So therefore regular season data wouldn't hold much weight in that regard.Secondly, I'm pretty sure da_suns_fan was talking about how the Mavs and Suns have split EVERY game they've played in the past 3 years... as in, they've split the season series and they each beat the other 4-2 in consecutive years in the playoffs.
It doesn't matter how you want to look at it. The bottom line is victories were exchanged and regardless if you look at it 3-2 or 14-11 there isn't a wide gap between the two.Therefore, the Lakers are NOT up simply 3-2 on the Spurs... they are in fact, up 14-11 based on the playoff data THE SIXTH MAN provided.
Again judging a rivalry by regular season victories is weak. We have a series split 1-1 with the Bobcats this season, I guess we can consider them rivals too huh?
Currently its Mavs-Spurs.
I like watching the Mav-Suns games as much as the next guy, but there is no rivalry. Now if Nash had a problem with the Mavs and talked about "sticking it to the Mavs" then you might have something to start a rivalry, but he has no problem with the Mavs and is on very good terms with the players. He understands that its all business.
The Spurs and Mavs are in the same division and are always battleing for the division lead (if not league lead). The Dirk injury in the playoffs a few years ago helped the rivalry (I don't think the Mavs would have won, but it would have went to game seven) and to follow that up with last years meeting in the playoffs.
It is the best not only right now, but the best is a long time in the NBA. Heat-Knicks was good, but those teams were not at the "Elite" level, everyone knew that the Bulls would win when it mattered, not either of those teams. The Mavs-Spurs are at the "Elite" level. They play games that are not just rivalry games, but games were the winner can claim that they are the best in the NBA at that time.
Please don't start with the three rings thing, thats not what the thread is about.
In a way the same is true with the Suns-Spurs, Suns-Mavs. The winner is the best in the NBA, at that moment.
The Suns simply dont bring out the "Hatred" in the fans. Mavs fans still look fondly at Nash. The same isn't true with Finley, he went to the Spurs (our rival) to get a ring. Letting both players go was business, Finley made it personal with where he went afterward.
AJ is also a focus for the rivalry. He is loved by Spur fans, for good reason, but now has given the one thing that the Mavs needed to them, a Spurs focus on defense. We love him, Spurs love him, but I think that deep down, some Spurs fans are saying "Why the Mavs, Little G, any team but them"
It makes for great drama, and the best basketball in the NBA in a long time.
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