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fair enough. i still think Robinson was soft. he can put up all the league leading stats in the world, he still got bent over and poled by Hakeem.
Does that mean Shaq is soft?
Speaking of which, tough guy Shaq can't play games with an ingrown toe nail, oh, he's so tough.
fair enough. i still think Robinson was soft. he can put up all the league leading stats in the world, he still got bent over and poled by Hakeem.
Which I have no problem with, because you can think all you want.
BTW, this means that Ewing was soft too, according to you?
People can think Robinson was soft if they want. They were calling Tim soft in 2005, but his still won the finals MVP (he has two more, by the way).
To me, the epitome of soft is a 7 footer who plays offense on the perimeter while being defended by someone 5 or 6 inches shorter. That same guy gets a free pass on defense. Dirk, thou art soft.
I can't remember one instance where anybody was ever idiotic enough to call Tim Duncan soft. Not even Bill Walton is that stupid.
Dwayne Wade bent Dirk over and poled him too...
relevant how?
Same relavance as David getting owned.
If your going to hold a player to a standard, do it to all players.... He can put up all the numbers he wants, last I checked Dirk has been getting owned his whole career.
does that mean Dirk is soft?
last I checked Dirk didn't go head-to-head with Wade the entire series...
there's nobody disputing Dirk's softness. The thread started off by questioning the softness of Ewing and Robinson.
sounds like ur just a pissed off Spurs fan who saw your beloved Admiral getting criticized so instead of finding a legitimate defense for him (as others have), you decided to do the "oh yeah?!?!? well YOUR GUY IS SOFT so TAKE THAT!!! NYAH NYAH!" like it meant something.
no, I just find it funny how you implied Dirk wasnt soft while David was... As long as you acknowledge your opinion is for both players, thats find.
I happen to think neither one is soft.
I never implied Dirk wasn't soft. I happen to think that Dirk is soft. Where'd you get that from?
So far that criticism has been limited to repeated references to the '95 playoff series against the Rockets. One series hardly makes a career. I would think that if anyone could understand that, it would be Mavs fans.
ie.... implying Dirk is not soft by asking someone to admit he's not.
Who could have guarded Hakeem in 1995? A 7 footer making baseline hook shots is pretty hard to defend.
As I recall, the Rockets beat the Spurs 4-2 in the Western Conf. finals before SWEEPING Shaq's Magic in the NBA finals 4-0.
That series was a defining moment for both Hakeem and David (a la Dirk and Wade last year). David never did anything to change that until Duncan came along. Say whatever you want about how ty his team was. He showed that he could be bullied and shoved around and that he'd just take it. It didn't change until he had a guy come along and take over as leader of the team.
Not even close. read the entire in' discussion. I based that question on the belief that Dirk IS soft. I asked if he was willing to admit that Dirk wasn't soft SIMPLY BECAUSE HE GETS ALOT OF REBOUNDS. never did i say Dirk wasn't soft....just that stating "David Robinson got alot of rebounds, therefore David Robinson isn't soft" wasn't sound reasoning in my mind, because nobody in their right mind would say "Dirk gets alot of rebounds, therefore Dirk isn't soft".
I can never understand why Robinson losing the 95 series = him being soft. Robinson never had the team to take to the promised land. Taking on an immense amount of responsibilities and hauling the likes of Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson and JR Reid to the playoffs only set up unrealistic expectations that he can take that crap of a team to the top.
Robinson, by himself, is worth a bunch of wins in his prime (35+ his rookie year, but Strickland and mings joined as well, a -39 when he got hurt in 96, but so did Elliott and Chuck Person.) in the regular season. When they were in the playoffs, teams realized, “Hey, non of the other Spurs can score, even when wide open, I just have to collapse on Robinson to destroy their whole offense” after watching some tapes of the Spurs. It was that simple.
You close out on Hakeem and Smith, Maxwell, Cassell, Horry, Elie and Drexler will kill you on the outside, you close out on Shaq and Penny, Scott, Anderson will kill you with 3pters, you close out on Ewing and Starks, and Harper will kill you. Who does Robinson have? Elliott with a bad kidney, and that’s it. It is much more of FOs fault as anybody. I remember EVERY SINGLE YEAR in the early 90s when the Spurs were supposed to get an outside shooter to complement Robinson on offense, which never happened. It was such an obvious thing that all the announcers were talking about it every game I watch the Spurs, it was THAT obvious, EVERYBODY knows that you only have to collapse on Robinson and you can stop them.
I tend to agree that Robinson was out played in the 95 series, even though there were many other factors in play and it’s naïve to strictly look at numbers and ignore the fact that Robinson was doubled/tripled throughout the whole series (and that was the days of illegal defense, the Spurs should have shot at least 5 FTs on illegal D, if not on every trip on offense in that series), but to label him as soft because of it was hardly accurate or objective.
Also, Robinson was labeled soft before that series, because he was good with math, science, enjoys family time, and don’t cuss people out. In other words, I tend to believe that it was a largely ignorant and intellectual inferior group of macho man who first labeled Robinson soft because he was different. It’s just a form of discrimination against people who are different from you.
I read the entire ing discussion asshole, quit being such a ing . I'm not the one turning this into a ing pissing contest, you are.... I simply mis-interprited what your intentions where with the comment, ing blow me asswipe.
Interesting that you compare the defining moments of Hakeem/DRob in the '95 series with Dirk/Wade last year. Hakeem owned DRob and made him his , but Wade had all the refs on his johnson and stole the series from Dirk. Nope, don't see any homerism in that analogy. Unless you are saying that Dirk will never do anything until a Duncan-like player comes to the Mavs.
LOL wow you really are a pissypants Spurs fan. Make some negative comments about the Admiral and this happens. You're the one that misinterpreted , so how bout not posting garbage unless you know what the 's going on, mkay?
Note once where I said anything along those lines here. Do you believe this to be the case? Cuz I certainly don't.
I remember Dirk taking a pop in the mouth and never attacking the basket again. I compared Dirk/Wade to DRob/Hakeem because both series' had one superstar rising to the occasion and dominating, while the other one wilted under pressure and allowed himself to get manhandled with no rebuttal.
Dirk may be able to change his legacy, but who knows. He may need a Tim Duncan-type player to come along and take the lead while he plays second fiddle. We'll see.
Exactly asshole, thats why we had the discussion about dirk to begin with. Your the one that started the name calling, I didnt.... dont post like "read the entire in' thread" without knowing .
LOL so i'm supposed to be nice about you trying to post irrelevant simply because you have no reading comprehension skills? off pal...
EDIT: Nevermind, I apologize. I shouldn't make fun of the mentally handicapped....so sorry about all that.
How editorial of you to not quote the last sentence of my post, which asks a clarifying question in the event that I misinterpreted your post. Of course, you spend the rest of your post answering my clarifying question, but I guess you had to set the straw man up first.
btw, I appreciate your honesty in your comparison. Maybe Dirk will get there one day, but right now he is not.
Actually, he never got bullied or shoved around. The only guy that really did that was Shaq, and he did that to everyone. Hakeem never bullied anyone, and I think most people know that. He played Malone as tough and physical as one can, so where do you get his being soft, because you havent given one example other than saying he was soft because Hakeem owned him in that series. Hakeem owned a lot of centers in their le runs, including Shaq. And, by the way, Shaq never won till he had Kobe, does that make Shaq soft?
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