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    1. Its a Sam Smith column.
    2. IMO Nocioni will get a 4 or 5 year extension worth @ $7 mil a year.
    3. The Bulls are not going to let him go that easily or cheaply. If he signs an MLE deal, like the poster above said, I'm sure the Bulls would match. They are looking at about $46 mil(maybe even less the have a QO on Sweetney for $3 mil & could let him go) in salaries next year. Also remember that Hinrich & Wallace's deals are fron loaded for this exact reason, Paxson was smart & made sure that the team would have the best opportunity to sign all of their FA's & young guys. Of course they could extend Deng & Gorodon, but the dont necessarily have to, they have qualifying offers on them for 2008. My guess is that theres a %75-80 chance Nocioni stays in Chicago, unless the Bulls get s s&t offer they can't refuse & I don't think Butler & Scola are it.

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    1. Its a Sam Smith column.
    2. IMO Nocioni will get a 4 or 5 year extension worth @ $7 mil a year.
    3. The Bulls are not going to let him go that easily or cheaply. If he signs an MLE deal, like the poster above said, I'm sure the Bulls would match. They are looking at about $46 mil(maybe even less the have a QO on Sweetney for $3 mil & could let him go) in salaries next year. Also remember that Hinrich & Wallace's deals are fron loaded for this exact reason, Paxson was smart & made sure that the team would have the best opportunity to sign all of their FA's & young guys. Of course they could extend Deng & Gorodon, but the dont necessarily have to, they have qualifying offers on them for 2008. My guess is that theres a %75-80 chance Nocioni stays in Chicago, unless the Bulls get s s&t offer they can't refuse & I don't think Butler & Scola are it.
    Who are you saying will give him $7 million/year? The Bulls? Why would they do that when no one has the money to give him that much?

    If anything, they'll wait to see what happens then match the MLE offer somebody gives him. The question is, do the Bulls need Nocioni? Do they need him compared to what some team may trade for him? Your last line I think is most likely -- S&T for something they need. I think there's a decent chance they'd trade Nocioni in a Scola package.

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    The only big bodies they have inside are wallace and thomas at this time. Neither of these guys have a low post game for scoring. I am sure there are better choices than butler and scola but there is no doubt these guys would help this weakness. Not even sure if this trade could happen but it would benefit both teams involved. Also instead of paying nocioni 5 mil. they could possible get both butler and scola for about the same or slightly more.

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    It seems like people in this forum are all over the place with what Nocioni's real value is. The reason that's the case is that it's never been suggested what his next contract might look like, Nocioni hasn't made specific demands, and the Bulls haven't set something either. It might not be a player's market next year because of the lack of teams legitimately under the cap, but that's only one bargaining chip and not likely to drive his price down to the MLE. I think he could get a 4yr deal worth anywhere from $24 to 32 million....

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    The Bobcats, Orlando, Milwaukee & Toronto will all have money. All I am saying is that it is possible some other team could go over the MLE. The Cats are probably going to lose Wallace, leaving an opening for a SF, Orlando could be interested if they dont get Lewis or Carter, those are their 2 targets this offseason, so they are obviously looking for a SF. Milwaukee will have money, but they have Simmons signed to a ridiculous contract, so they might not be interested, but they still have cap room. Toronto will most likely be losing MoPete & could be looking for some help at SF.

    As to the question whether the Bulls need Nocioni or not, that is all opinion. I think that while most people look & see Deng as the SF of the future, in my opinion, having Nocioni makes them a better team all around. They have already found playing time for both, so I dont think that it would be a problem to have Deng as the starter & Nocioni coming off the bench, especially for the MLE.

    Khrypa is the SF that probably needs to go. I wouldn't mind seeing him develope in the Spurs system, I think he could be really good. Another SF that interests me is Korolev from the Clipps. He will be an unrestricted FA this summer & although he is extremely raw, he has a lot of upside & could flourish in the Spurs system. These 2 guys are probably more likely to be Spurs than Nocioni. I don't want to sound like a pessimist, Noc is the first guy I want the Spurs to go after this summer, I'm just being realistic, he is probably out of our reach.

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    Who are you saying will give him $7 million/year? The Bulls? Why would they do that when no one has the money to give him that much?

    If anything, they'll wait to see what happens then match the MLE offer somebody gives him. The question is, do the Bulls need Nocioni? Do they need him compared to what some team may trade for him? Your last line I think is most likely -- S&T for something they need. I think there's a decent chance they'd trade Nocioni in a Scola package.
    The Bobcats have plenty of money and with Jordan coming on board promising big changes, it's likely they will stray a little bit from their "Build through the Draft" plan a bit.

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    The Bobcats have plenty of money and with Jordan coming on board promising big changes, it's likely they will stray a little bit from their "Build through the Draft" plan a bit.
    It's possible they let Wallace go and try to sign Nocioni. With Carter and Lewis running around and the Bobcats possibly drafting a top SF, who knows?

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    It's possible they let Wallace go and try to sign Nocioni. With Carter and Lewis running around and the Bobcats possibly drafting a top SF, who knows?
    Wallace and Nocioni are probably going to get around the same size contract. Also Hermann has been playing well at SF and will come at a much cheaper price. Bobcats need to invest in some guard play this summer. There forwards are pretty good and okafor in the middle is solid

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    In other words, Andres Nocioni picked the wrong offseason to quit sniffing glue.

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    I'm more baffled as to why people think Noah will be big time NBA player.
    Noah would be a good bench warmer in NBA.

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    By all accounts, Wallace will be looking for a $9-10 mil + deal(whether he gets that or not is another thing), which is signifigantly more than what Noc will probably get. If Lewis does bolt Seattle without a S&T, then Wallace could be an option for them & they will have the money to sign him at that point. While Hermann is a nice player, he is no youngster & is only signed for one more year after this one. I dont think that it is impossible that the Cats go after Nocioni if Wallace leaves.

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    Imagine if the Spurs snagged Nocioni in a sign-and-trade, then used the MLE to bring Scola over and make an offer to Delfino that the Pistons don't match. The Spurs could trot out a lineup next season like this:

    PG Ginobili
    SG Delfino
    SF Nocioni
    PF Scola
    C Oberto

    ...j/k
    hermann ?

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    Barry's ending contract would look pretty appealable to the Bulls Id assume.

    Plus hes a shooter wich they could use outside of Gordon off the bench.

    Barry, Scola, first rounder for Nocioni?

    Id do that in a heartbeat.

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    Imagine if the Spurs snagged Nocioni in a sign-and-trade, then used the MLE to bring Scola over and make an offer to Delfino that the Pistons don't match. The Spurs could trot out a lineup next season like this:

    PG Ginobili
    SG Delfino
    SF Nocioni
    PF Scola
    C Oberto

    ...j/k
    That would also bring another le to San Antonio

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    That would also bring another le to San Antonio
    With a lineup like that, the Spurs would have the best record in the NBA in the first half at 35-6, then lose 30 straight games. They then would have five separate head coaches quit in the span of a week.

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    There's a ton of FA SF this offseason, hopefully we can just get one of them and if we can Nocioni that works for me.

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