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But I don't.
you're the one who said that the Mavs fans think they're too good for the Spurs and that couldn't be further from the truth.
But I don't.
Wouldn't it be the Mav Fans jumping off buildings if they didn't win it all this year? I'm pretty sure the pressure is on the Mavs, not Spurs this post-season.
Given the loyal, non-bandwagon Mav fanbase (giggle), I hope the Mavs live up their expectations this year.
You can see Robert Horry right there laughing with Tim??? I'm not saying that Tim wasn't laughing at Joey's call...but I'm saying how can Joey make that assumption from the other side of the court?
And keeping order on the court? OH NO HE'S LAUGHING THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET ROWDY I BETTER KEEP ORDER HERE!!!! come on man.
Then that makes you an idiot. I guarantee you Pop, his staff and the players watch plenty of game film and respect the Mavs. Fortunately for the Spurs you are in no way employed in any capacity or tasked with helping to prepare the team for a potential series against Dallas.
I should know better than to talk to the kids in the shallow end of the pool:
"DIRK SUCKS. DUCAN ISZ THU SHIZZNITT! SPURS RULEZ! DIRK NOBALLSKI AND THE CHOKERICKS! WE HAVE 3 LES U GBUYS HAV NUNE!"
Horry didn't Laugh until AFTER Duncan looked at Crawford after the whistle and busted out...You can see Robert Horry right there laughing with Tim??? I'm not saying that Tim wasn't laughing at Joey's call...but I'm saying how can Joey make that assumption from the other side of the court?
And keeping order on the court? OH NO HE'S LAUGHING THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET ROWDY I BETTER KEEP ORDER HERE!!!! come on man.
1:37 of this video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ky6Rqf6iYJI
Who remembers when Crawford tossed Nellie for staring at him?
Robert Horry is already laughing before the whistle is blown (:24 seconds into the video you posted).
Leonard, I dont get it. You are a pretty sensible fan, I really dont get how you can be trying to defend the ejection
Yeah i don't work for them. I am a fan. Thats why I don't have to respect them until they actually win something worth bragging about. To be honest, I guess I do respect the Mavs because they do have homecourt and the best record, but I still think the Spurs will beat them this year. It's our time again.
That's AFTER Duncan initially looked at Crawford and busted out...
I'm just trying to make sense of what happened and why Crawford snapped. I'm not trying to justify what he did.
He blew the whistle...Duncan looked away from the play right at Crawford as he was making the call on who the fould was on...Duncan busted out laughing...
I have just never seen an official react that quickly and angrily. So it was either that Tim said something earlier that royaly pissed him off, or he did have something against Tim because his reaction didnt warrant that
i think u get it u just don't understand
But you said it was AFTER the whistle and it wasn't it was BEFORE. And like I said I don't doubt Tim was laughing at Joey but HOW IN THE can he make that assumption if he's on the other side of the court? If Rob's laughing with him why wasn't he warned or T'd??? Because Tim was laughing harder or something?
Crawford has ejected Nellie in the first few min's of a game for just looking at him...
So you agree that Tim looked at Crawford and busted out?
Your point is that he was ejected for laughing, right?
Crawford took that as being showed up...
I'm pretty sure the T was AFTER the foul on Oberto...But you said it was AFTER the whistle and it wasn't it was BEFORE. And like I said I don't doubt Tim was laughing at Joey but HOW IN THE can he make that assumption if he's on the other side of the court? If Rob's laughing with him why wasn't he warned or T'd??? Because Tim was laughing harder or something?
Crawford wasn't on the other side of the court...he was up top moving towards the bench side as Howard drove the lane.
Right the the T was after the foul, but it seemed like you were saying Robert Horry wasn't laughing until after the T....and I was proving that he was laughing before. If Crawford is walking towards the bench and Ts Tim up moments after the foul, he had to be watching the Spurs bench literally from the moment he blew the whistle for the Oberto foul till the moment he T'd Tim up. Now why would an NBA ref have so much interest in the bench when he should be paying attention to the players on the court and making sure everything is in order ON THE COURT?? Joey's got issues.
I'm tired of hashing it out....I just want to know what the NBA is going to do about it...hopefully that comes out sometime today.
Too many threads going and people are ripping me for "defending Crawford." I'm NOT defending Crawford. I'm trying to figure out what Crawford saw that would cause him to boot Duncan...
Go here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ky6Rqf6iYJI
0:15 - Crawford is at the top right of the key, moving back and towards the bench sideline as Howard drives. Foul at 0:17. He obviously continues to move towards the sideline to tell the scorekeepers who the foul was on (his head flashes by at 0:21), which is to Duncan's right.
Now go to 1:25 or so...replay with the camera on Duncan while the play is happening in the foreground.
1:35 - Howard is fouled. Duncan is obviously watching the play.
1:37 - Duncan looks to his right quickly and busts out laughing almost immediately (not laughing at Bowen's reaction...he looks to his right of Bowen)
1:39 - Horry cracks a smile
1:41 - Duncan still laughing, puts his face in his towel
It's hard to say exactly what caused Duncan to bust out laughing. Howard who was ing about something, or Crawford who was walking behind Howard at about the same time. A specific incident would have to cause it, and to me it seems likely that when Crawford ID'd who the foul was on, Duncan laughed. Crawford took that as Duncan showing him up...whether he T'd him up while others were laughing or not.
Feel free to pick that breakdown apart...it's just my $02...
Crawford is and always has been a hot-head. Mavs fans hate the guy too...if he's not in the playoffs because of this, it's better for every team's fans...
You obviously didn't spend anytime to review my breakdown
There's some short white dude in the video that looks like he was talking some to Tim as Tim was leaving. I wish I had been standing next to that little punk because he would've gotten one of a slap.
Of course you would've...
How do you know he wasn't Sean Sherk??
Here's the thing. The ejection was bull . I think any level-headed fan would say it was total bull . Crawford should be reprimanded and punished for ego-tripping to that point.
Nevertheless, as a few of us who are Spurs fans have been saying, Tim Duncan has developed a reputation as a whiner. I don't think this kind of situation would ever have happened to another player if that player was not known as someone can be seen on camera after every play complaining about the last call.
I think Crawford was sending a message in a (relatively) meaningless game before the national spotlight of the Playoffs.
Now, this would also support Duncan's claim that there was a vendetta. I don't buy Crawford's generic defense. I think he came into this game with the mindset that he's not taking anything from Duncan.
So what needs to happen? Crawford should be punished and Duncan needs to STFU and play basketball. To be honest, I think he's toned down the complaining quite a bit in the last couple months, but this just goes to show how a reputation built over several years can hurt you down the road.
If Duncan becomes even more focused and hungry as a result of this, maybe it will turn out to be a positive thing in the end.
So what needs to happen? Crawford should be punished and Duncan needs to STFU and play basketball. To be honest, I think he's toned down the complaining quite a bit in the last couple months, but this just goes to show how a reputation built over several years can hurt you down the road.
If Duncan becomes even more focused and hungry as a result of this, maybe it will turn out to be a positive thing in the end.
This deserves a spur for being the logical conclusion to this whole affair.
the most accurate thots i have read all day. def agree that Crawford needs to be reprimanded and Duncan needs to just STFU. for such a "classy" guy, Duncan was being an a-hole in the game. he was taunting Crawford - and isnt there a "no tauntin" kick this year in the NBA? isnt this the harsher rules time? I dunno...
NO I AM NOT DEFENDING CRAWFORD... just saying Duncan was not just being cool sitting on the bench and kidding around with Horry/Finley/whoever - he was clearly laughing at Crawford's expense. And everyone knows Crawford is a hothead with a short fuse... why put yourself in that position to even get into it with him. I expected more of Duncan - whether he felt Joey had a vendetta against him or not... He's usually a different character.
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