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Fact: San Antonio scored 10 points in the 4th, none in the last 6+ minutes.
Even w/o Duncan, they are a damned pro basketball team, and a contender at that. They just got shut down in the 4th.
you are saying missing our shots in the 4th is a bigger factor than missing DUncan????!?!
ok. I really give up now.
Fact: San Antonio scored 10 points in the 4th, none in the last 6+ minutes.
Even w/o Duncan, they are a damned pro basketball team, and a contender at that. They just got shut down in the 4th.
Duncan commands doubles and opens up shooter as well as opening up the lane for Manu and TP.
Even after supplying you with a definition, you still don't get it. You should refrain from using the term "factor" until you understand what it means.
If, as you claim, the loss of Duncan did not contribute to the loss, then you need to say that Duncan's ejection was NOT a factor.
w/out Duncan we are not contenders.
You would think that's obvious, but to some lame-brains, the Spurs are just as good without Duncan as they are with him.
Are you re ed? It's a team sport, they don't play in a vacuum. If Duncan is on the floor then maybe HE gets some of those shots and the "wayward shooters" don't. Or maybe the Mavs have to pay more defensive attention to Tim and Manu, Tony and the rest get easier looks.
Plus, with Tim back there on defense, maybe the Mavs don't even score enough points to come back. How obtuse are you?
Sure. But when he opens up shooters, they still have to make shots. It's not as if the guys who took shots in the last half of the 4th quarter didn't have good looks at the basket. The looks that they got they didn't knock down. There have been far too many games this season in which the Spurs shooters haven't been able to knock down important shots to convince me that Duncan's ejection was the biggest cause (or even a significant cause) of the loss yesterday.
You're right -- Duncan's ejection was CLEARLY the reason the Spurs lost yesterday and, therefore, I place blame for that loss SOLELY at the feet of Joey Crawford.
I'm convinced you're a moron (or a Mavs fan). Then again, those are not mutually exclusive categories.
wow.
have you ever played basketball? you do know that it's way easier to make an open shot than a contested shot?
did you see Barry open when he attempted those shots? do you think it's a coincidence that our shooters were contested and Duncan was out????
The Spurs defense wasn't the problem in the 4th quarter. I'm not sure it would have been substantially better from a results standpoint with Duncan on the floor.
Ultimately, I just don't buy the notion that an official caused a team to lose.
Did someone just b-tch-slap some sense into you?
How do you think that Tim getting ejected didnt play a huge part of the Mavs winning that game? Yea, maybe we still lose with him, but we have a of a better chance with him
Insult me if you wish. I think it's a lame cop-out to blame losses on officials. Perhaps that's where we differ.
Yep. In fact, I'll never disagree with you about anything ever again.
man you must be new to sports.
you are saying officials haven't ever made mistakes that cost teams a game?
I guess the -slap wore off. I guess it was too much to hope that it could raise your IQ for any length of time...
So, now that you've convinced yourself that Tim Duncan's absence was not a major factor in the loss, are you going to try to convince us that the Suns don't require Nash to win games?
I'm saying that officials make mistakes, but that those mistakes aren't what cost teams games. There are too many other things that go into winning or losing a game that don't have anything to do with officiating. Make more shots, get more rebounds, don't miss free throws, don't commit turnovers.
The Spurs had plenty of opportunities to do the things that they needed to do yesterday to win. Joey Crawford was out of line in the way that he handled the Duncan situation, but in the light of the next day, I don't think that Joey can be said to have cost the Spurs the game. The Spurs cost themselves the game.
Duncan's ejection was a major contributing factor in the Spurs' loss.
Can't be, because I jumped into following the game online in the middle of the fourth, knew nothing about the T's, and still saw the Spurs with every opportunity to win the game. Certainly TD's absence made it a lot harder, but I think it should worry the Mavs a LOT to know that even without him in the 4th quarter we almost won. We were one Barry 3 away from winning.
(I did, however, notice TD's absence, but wondered if Pop was resting him or something. I also wondering why Dirk and Stackhouse were even in the game)
Crawford should be banned from reffing in this year's playoffs, IMO. That would lose him enough pay to make it hurt, presuming they're paid per game and send a message that refs have to do their job impartially, which obviously last night he did not.
That being said, the Spurs need to put this behind them and focus. Games are not won or lost because of the refs.
Crawford's call last year when he fouled out Tim because Dirk stepped on his foot was a worse call than throwing Tim out for laughing. Why that call isn't brought up more after this incident is beyond my comprehension.
rofl at ppl trying to call fwd a moron for being reasonable. the spurs were still in the game and leading until very late. they still could have won if they knocked down a few shots.
I agreed with you up until this re ed point. Remember back a few seasons when Duncan was out a good chunk of the season? I remember thinking we were doomed, but the boys in black stepped it up and went on a run that would make any fan proud.
The Spurs aren't as good without Tim as they are without him, but I'd never go so far as to say we aren't contenders with him riding the pine. Tim is not the whole team and to believe that undermines the skills of everyone else on the team. Likewise it implies that we are totally screwed when he starts to get too old to play.
Or the one (in the same game) where Dampier shoved Duncan into Dirk (with a forearm and the opposite hand) so that Duncan would get called for a foul.
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