I does happen often. It's called murder and rape. the only difference is that most people want to get away with it.
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A lunatic (colloquially: "loony") is commonly used term for a person who is mentally ill, dangerous, foolish or unpredictable, a condition once called lunacy.
if you don't think this guy was mentally sick, you must be crazy urself
My deepest condolences to the families of the victims. It's a tragedy.
But this "piece of " does not represent Koreans, Korean-Americans, or Asians in general.
Bundy killed women who looked like a girlfriend who dumped him. His crimes were done out of anger. He is most certainly a sociopath who was completely conscious of what he was doing. To call him crazy is ridiculous. Hitler was an angry piece of too, and he was a logical person just like Bundy and Cho. I don't know anything about Dahmer, so I can't give an opinion one way or the other on him.
are you saying crazy people cannot plan,premeditate an action?
If you did criminology statistics on murder and rape, I would bet that a high number is committed by hardened criminals with a checkered past with the law. That doesn't fit the profile of this "piece of " at all.
nkdluch, why do you want to let this guy off the hook? Like there was a reasonable explanation for what he did.
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say what!?
I never said to let this guy off the hook. u really must be crazy yourself.
I just said he was a nut and anyone who gets angry at his pathetic video is acting exactly how he would have wanted.
The definition of a "sociopath" is a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial at udes and behaviour and a lack of conscience.
Except for the lack of consience part, this describes many people I have met over the years and the majority are non-asian.
There is no reasonable explanation for this act. It's a tragedy. And what do you mean letting him off the hook? He's dead.
What you are trying to do is pinning this act on his family and others that fit his profile. That's bull .
I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm blaming it entirely on him. I don't understand your point about pinning it on people that fit his profile at all. Are you trying to say that because I'm throwing out the insanity argument, that I must be making the product of the environment argument? Is free will now being thrown out of the equation?
I don't understand this point either. Did anyone say anything bad about Asians or specifially Koreans?
bum is right. The bas couldn't handle the fact that the world didn't revolve around himself, so he murdered 32 people and then pussed out of facing the consequences with a bullet through his dome. Unfortunately, thanks to easily accessible technology and an amoral media he's gotten what he craved, at least for a 24 hour news cycle.
well i wish that mutha a would have been shot by the cops instead,like 200 times, ing chinese bas .
Now every ing loser out there with his panties in a wad has a template to follow. Great job, Pea .
I missed the NBC special.
Did they say anything about what he had written on his arm? Ishmael Ax?
Seems like that may have something to do with something.
I was referring to your statement about letting him off the hook. He's dead.
How else do you want to punish him?
If you are referring to how he will be remembered, then I kinda get it.
But if you think retribution still needs to be administered, who will receive this punishment? His family? Others that look and/or act like him?
Trainwreck's terrorist post got my juices flowing. That pissed me off.
I'm not upset at NBC for airing the images the killer sent in. Perhaps if I had been related to a victim or knew any of them I would feel different. But as a general viewer I'm not upset. I was curious as to what this guy was about, what kind of person could do this horrible and disgusting act...the videos, images, and writings did that. The kid had a lot of issues he couldn't deal with and that is made evident on those videos.
And I think the public would've wanted to view the content of that package one way or another, just out of plain curiosity...there would've been SOMEONE out there raging against authorities on how their rights were being violated somehow because they wouldn't show the video of this guy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041802550.html
Heed Columbine's Lessons: Make Information Available, and Speak Out
By Marc Fisher
Thursday, April 19, 2007; A10
Every day, every hour, more people come forward who knew that something was deeply wrong with Cho Seung Hui. Teachers, roommates, classmates from college, high school, middle school -- people knew.
And people acted. Not all of them, and not all in loud and useful ways, but some who were disturbed by Cho's actions and words did what we would want them to do: They told somebody.
And still, here we are.
Why?
Dawn Anna, who has supreme cause to ask that question, thought we would be beyond this point by now. "I had this Pollyannish vision that when Lauren was murdered, that the reaction from the nation and the world was so intense and so heartfelt that we would all get around the table and say: 'As a parent, I saw this piece of behavior' and 'As a teacher, I saw this' and 'Let's put it all together and see what we can do to protect our children.'
"But it didn't happen."
Tomorrow marks eight years since the murders at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo. Eight years since Dawn Anna's daughter, Lauren Townsend, and 12 others were killed by two teenagers whose murderous intentions had been plain to see for years. The killers, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, wrote school papers about their plan. They put up a Web site about it. Harris even wrote in court do ents that he was homicidal and suicidal.
People knew. Still, Columbine happened.
Even afterward, Anna and other parents couldn't get people to speak openly about what they had known. The parents eventually sued to force the flow of information that hadn't happened before the murders.
They won, and they lost. Harris's and Klebold's parents were deposed and required to tell how their children became killers. And the authorities were forced to reveal the existence of numerous complaints about the two boys that were never investigated.
But a federal judge in Denver, Lewis Bab , ruled this month that the depositions, the thousands of other records and the basement videos in which Harris and Klebold spelled out their sick plan must remain sealed for 20 years.
"There is a legitimate public interest in these materials so that similar tragedies may hopefully be prevented in the future," Bab said. But he ordered all the material sealed for fear that its release might engender copycat killings.
The copycats seem to be doing just fine without the information. The rest of us could benefit from seeing what the government is hiding.
"In the depositions, you see the dynamics of the homes that produced Klebold and Harris," says Brian Rohrbough, whose son Daniel was killed at Columbine. "In the basement videos, they say exactly what they're going to do, when and how. These killers always tell other people. There's always months and months and years of planning. But we're not being allowed to use what we've learned to save other lives."
Anna, Rohrbough and the other parents are prevented by a court order from talking about the specifics in the tapes and do ents. But they are crying out this week for all those who know the Chos and Klebolds and Harrises of the world to stop cowering in fear.
"The murderers who killed Lauren weren't stopped because everyone just closed up in this fear of being blamed," Anna says. "People withdraw into shadows and fear of lawsuits. We've written the laws so that the rights of one person supersede the rights of the many to live in peace and safety."
Of course, simply stating that someone seems dangerous is only the beginning of a hard road. The devotion and commitment of Virginia Tech English professor Lucinda Roy, who reached out to Cho and also referred him to counseling, was more than most of us could summon, yet still not enough.
The U.S. Secret Service, which has spent decades trying to figure out who is truly dangerous, has concluded that profiles and checklists are pretty much useless. Instead, a Secret Service study says, what works is the most old-fashioned tool of all: talk, and more talk. As many eyes as possible on the situation. And especially the gut sense that a person is dangerous.
Yet we've built a paralyzing web of laws that erode our own trust in that basic human instinct.
"So we cannot insist that someone not attend classes until he gets treatment," Anna says. "That's crazy. We need to realize that we belong to each other. We need to create empathy. Instead, we remember the murderers' names when it's the children and teachers whose names need to be remembered.
"You're part of the problem," Anna tells me. "You're not going to want to include the names, because you don't have enough room in your column."
The truth is worse: I hadn't even thought of publishing the victims' names. But Anna is right. These are their names:
Cassie Bernall, Steven Curnow, Corey DePooter, Kelly Fleming, Matthew Kechter, Dan Mauser, Daniel Rohrbough, William "Dave" Sanders, Rachel Scott, Isaiah Shoels, John Tomlin, Lauren Townsend, Kyle Velasquez.
http://www.poynter.org/content/conte....asp?id=121760
Poynteronline
Posted, Apr. 19, 2007
Updated, Apr. 19, 2007
A Decision Examined: A Poynter Discussion of NBC's Use of the Killer's Video
By Ellyn Angelotti (more by author)
Ellyn Angelotti
Contributors: Bob Steele, Al Tompkins, Jill Geisler, Kelly McBride
More in this series
Poynter faculty members Al Tompkins, Jill Geisler, Kelly McBride and Bob Steele gathered Thursday to discuss NBC's decision to air parts of the package it received Wednesday from Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui. You'll find podcasts of those discussions on this page.
The following is a statement by NBC News president Steve Capus about the network's decision:
I want to take a moment to explain our decision. I assure you it was not taken lightly. It was only done after careful consideration and with great sensitivity to the families and friends of the victims and the entire community of Virginia Tech.
First, it is important to note, NBC News has broadcast only a small fraction of the material we've received. In total, there are more than 45 photos, more than 23 minutes of video tape and 23 some pages of written materials. We selectively chose certain limited passages and material to release.
Prior to the release, we worked very closely with law enforcement authorities. They asked us to remain silent about the material until they had a chance to review the content. We naturally abided by that request. We handed over to the FBI all of the original do ents in a quick manner with the expressed desire to do anything to help investigators. Indeed, we appreciated the acknowledgment by the Virginia State Police during their press briefing yesterday, of our handling of this incident.
Some 7 and 1/2 hours passed before we aired the first video from the material, and again it was done in an extremely limited manner. Our Standards and Policies chief reviewed all material before it was released. One of our most experienced correspondents, Pete Williams handled the reporting. We believe it provides some answers to the critical question, "WHY did this man carry out these awful murders?" The same decision to run this video was reached by virtually every news organization in the world, as evidenced by their coverage on television, on websites and in newspapers.
The pain suffered by the Virginia Tech community and indeed the country is real and will last forever. I believe our coverage to date has been handled with great sensitivity. We are committed to nothing less.
Thank you for taking the time to write. I hope you appreciate our difficult position -- and that this e-mail offers some understanding.
NBC affiliate WSLS TV Roanoke has banned further use of Cho Seung-Hui's video and some stills on their station according to executive producer Jessica A. Ross:
After a serious editorial discussion, the Newschannel 10 management team has decided to no longer air any audio from Cho Seung-Hui's ranting death tape. We will also no longer show any images of him pointing weapons at the camera. We realize that would only further cause pain to the Virginia Tech community.
Initially, NBC and WSLS made the decision to air all of the images as a new development in the investigation. It was the first insight into his state of mind when he committed these unthinkable acts of violence. But again, we no longer feel it is newsworthy to air certain images or to broadcast his words.
We will strive to be sensitive about our coverage of this story and work to honor the memories of the victims.
Newschannel 10 welcomes your feedback on any of our coverage as we follow this story in the days and months to come.
Whatever his issues were, 32 people didn't deserve to die because he couldn't deal with them. To top it off, one of the largest media outlets in the world just put his grievances front and center. This is absolutely disgusting. Further, it's not hard to see this bas turned into some kind of cult figure ala Manson.
It would have all come out anyways so I don't blame NBC at all.
drop the pipe papa, it's making you....como se dice, paranoid.
Of course 32 people didn't deserve to die for his issues, I didn't say that at all. But if the media didn't release his videos I think the public would have a harder time trying to understand what this was all about (at least those who wanted to understand or at least try to). But that's just my opinion, I'm not here to argue, just comment.
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