Barbosa named sixth man of the year.

[timvp]

Manu is the kind of player that gets better as the years go by.Most teams would hire him at the age of 35 or 36 only to play in the last mins of the 4rd.quarter to hit a game winner.

Good to see Nostradamus chime in.

Thanks.

[ducks]

Manu is the kind of player that gets better as the years go by.Most teams would hire him at the age of 35 or 36 only to play in the last mins of the 4rd.quarter to hit a game winner.

good because by then the spurs will want to trade him
they were willing to trade david robinson they will for manu to

[nickolakus]

There's not one team in the league that would take Barbosa over Manu. Most would laugh at the question.

You may or may not be right about this but after the game barbosa had yesterday, and the game manu had...it doesnt seem to be the time to be bashing barbs and saying how great manu is. Barbosa is younger, faster, a better finisher, can drive to the hoop with ease and is also the better 3 point shooter. He also is still improving and you will see him in an all star game very soon. The suns have him locked up to a very friendly contract, possibly the best contract in the league. In all honesty if you asked all nba GM's who they would rather have at this point, Id say the majority would take barbosa for sure.

[ploto]

The difference is that Manu is definitely the best player on the team at his position, while Barbosa is truly a back-up. The point of the award is to recognize someone who isn't a starter, regardless of how many games Manu technically did not start. Like MIP- it won't ever go the to MVP; that ruins the spirit of the award.

[ShoogarBear]

Why don't they have a Seventh Man of the Year Award?

[romain.star]

aaronstampler 4 MVP

[timvp]

You may or may not be right about this but after the game barbosa had yesterday, and the game manu had...it doesnt seem to be the time to be bashing barbs and saying how great manu is. Barbosa is younger, faster, a better finisher, can drive to the hoop with ease and is also the better 3 point shooter. He also is still improving and you will see him in an all star game very soon. The suns have him locked up to a very friendly contract, possibly the best contract in the league. In all honesty if you asked all nba GM's who they would rather have at this point, Id say the majority would take barbosa for sure.

Yeah, the same Barbosa who the Suns believed in so much this summer that they spent $25M to bring Marcus Banks to be the new backup point guard. Put Barbosa on any other team and his stats would drop to half of what they are now.

And what does this award have to do with the games yesterday? Votes were tallied long ago.

[timvp]

I would have voted manu, but he started in almost 50% of the games he played in....

The thing is thought that Manu was eligible for the award. And if anyone is closer to playing a starting role, it's 33 minutes per game Barbosa.

Manu put up better stats in virtually every category and is the better player.





Where is The Church when Manu actually has a beef?

[ShoogarBear]

For some reason, I get the sense that timvp thinks they actually gave the award to Barbaro.

[angel_luv]

[aaronstampler]

stop overrating Manu. He isn't that great. He has taken a step back this year. It's highly debatable if he is better than barbosa.

Like seriously, what do you base that on? Name one thing he's worse at this year than last.

[RonMexico]

yah the lakers had it, until kobe just went ice cold

So Kobe should have won 6th man?

[RonMexico]

Yeah, the same Barbosa who the Suns believed in so much this summer that they spent $25M to bring Marcus Banks to be the new backup point guard. Put Barbosa on any other team and his stats would drop to half of what they are now.

And what does this award have to do with the games yesterday? Votes were tallied long ago.

You are such a whiner. You and Kori must be the ying and the yang because she actually knows a little bit about objective basketball takes. You, on the other hand, can be pretty hopeless.

Banks was brought in as an insurance policy and to help Barbosa along by keeping the pressure off him to "be Steve Nash," thus allowing him to develop his game primarily as a 2-guard.

Unfortunately, Banks sucked worse than ever imagined and Barbosa had to be thrust into the role of backup PG much more quickly than expected. Guess what... it took him until about the All-Star break to get in the groove and he's really improved his game management and ability to run the point when Nash is out since February. (I really hope you do some research and look up posts where I've ripped Barbosa in November, December and January, while begging the Suns to get a backup PG like Blake because Barbosa was too inconsistent. This could help prove that I'm not just being a blind homer here and actually think Barbosa finally deserved the award for his play in the 2nd half of the season.)

Still, I wonder how they could reward him for adding this extra skill to his game and becoming a solid floor general in a backup role? Hmmm... I really wish they had an award for that... He's usually the 6th guy off the bench and can play both guard positions... maybe they should come up with an award named like the 6th guy or something...

I just looked at the Manu/Barbosa stats... they're not even close - Barbosa shot higher percentages in everything except FTs... Manu averaged more TOs per game in 5 less MPG... Barbosa averaged higher PPG, but those can be negligible since he was on the floor about 5 more mins and put up two more shots per game. In conclusion, your comment that Manu put up better stats in "virtually every statistical category" is completely unfounded.

I'm pretty sure Detlef Schrempf played around 30 mins when he won 6th man awards too, buddy. Why the beef with Barbosa playing 33 of 48 minutes coming off the bench? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[SequSpur]

Nash wasn't the MVP either. These awards are stupid.

[TDMVPDPOY]

everyone on the suns team is overrated

if this dude is that good, care to explain him at PG without nash on the suns, with that much talent on the team, yet they cant even beat a scrub team in the nba. SONS = OVERRATED with or without nash.

[timvp]

You are such a whiner. You and Kori must be the ying and the yang because she actually knows a little bit about objective basketball takes. You, on the other hand, can be pretty hopeless.

Oh look it's the middle school ref coming to set the record straight

Banks was brought in as an insurance policy and to help Barbosa along by keeping the pressure off him to "be Steve Nash," thus allowing him to develop his game primarily as a 2-guard.

A $25M insurance policy? He was brought in because the Suns concluded that Barbosa couldn't be the backup point.

The Suns know his game is limited. In their system, he's a pretty damn good player. Let him use his speed, let him play off the ball and play in a system that doesn't stress defense and he's going to put up numbers.

Unfortunately, Banks sucked worse than ever imagined and Barbosa had to be thrust into the role of backup PG much more quickly than expected. Guess what... it took him until about the All-Star break to get in the groove and he's really improved his game management and ability to run the point when Nash is out since February.

I never said Barbosa isn't a good player. He is.

But usually when it comes to awards, they should go to the most deserving party.

(I really hope you do some research and look up posts where I've ripped Barbosa in November, December and January, while begging the Suns to get a backup PG like Blake because Barbosa was too inconsistent. This could help prove that I'm not just being a blind homer here and actually think Barbosa finally deserved the award for his play in the 2nd half of the season.)

So what is your argument exactly? You think Barbosa deserves the award because he played well in the second half of the season, even though the Suns as a team played the best in the first half of the season?

Still, I wonder how they could reward him for adding this extra skill to his game and becoming a solid floor general in a backup role? Hmmm... I really wish they had an award for that... He's usually the 6th guy off the bench and can play both guard positions... maybe they should come up with an award named like the 6th guy or something...

Quite witty for a ref.

My stance is the award should go to the better player. I never said Barbosa wasn't good or wasn't the second best bench player this season.

I just looked at the Manu/Barbosa stats... they're not even close - Barbosa shot higher percentages in everything except FTs... Manu averaged more TOs per game in 5 less MPG... Barbosa averaged higher PPG, but those can be negligible since he was on the floor about 5 more mins and put up two more shots per game. In conclusion, your comment that Manu put up better stats in "virtually every statistical category" is completely unfounded.

Per minute, Manu averaged more points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, more blocks and averages more points per shot (the ultimate way to look at shooting percentages).

Defensively, neither one is great on that end of the court, but Manu outclasses Barbosa in terms of help defense.

What stat can you point to for Barbosa? He averages less turnovers ... but then again, Nash has the ball 90% of the time in that offense.

On top of all that, Ginobili has the much better resume.

I'm pretty sure Detlef Schrempf played around 30 mins when he won 6th man awards too, buddy. Why the beef with Barbosa playing 33 of 48 minutes coming off the bench? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Sounds like someone can't read to me.

I pointed out minutes because of the popular notion that Manu should be penalized because "he's not actually a bench player". If people want to say that about Manu, then MPG should come into play.

I'll say it again. If the 6MOY should go to the best player who had the best season who is eligible for the award, Manu should have won hands down. He's the more productive player during his time on the court and he has a better resume to back up his case.

Barbosa is a great weapon in the Suns' system, I've never said different. But go ask every coach in the league who is the better player right now and who they would rather have coming off the bench, and they'd all say Manu.

Unless you want to argue that the Suns would rather have Barbosa than Manu or the award shouldn't go to the best eligible player with the most regular season production, then you have no case.

[timvp]

I still want to know where The Church is. Do they only come out when Manu has a good game?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I still want to know where The Church is. Do they only come out when Manu has a good game?

To be honest I kinda do buy into the "manu isn't a legit 6t man b/c he is an actual starter" whereas barbosa isn't as good as any of the starters on the suns.


Though I also see your point that if Manu is eligible, he has to be given serious consideration.

[mathbzh]

Manu is not really a 6th man, he barely qualify. So I am fine barbosa with Barbosa's trophy. LB is the perfect 6th man providing a big boost of the bench.

[The_Game]

But usually when it comes to awards, they should go to the most deserving party.

And it did. Barbosa is far more deserving than Manu.

You freaking homer.

[RADECK]

He deserved it!

[timvp]

And it did. Barbosa is far more deserving than Manu.

You freaking homer.

Yeah, timvp the Manu homer.

A couple hours ago timvp was being called out for being too hard on Manu.

[WalterBenitez]

Here are the voting results for the top five. I'm surprised Ginobili came in second, I would have put Stack there given that he was a sixth man all season:

Leandro Barbosa     101-24-1  	578
Manu Ginobili       18-50-29 	269
Jerry Stackhouse    7-40-55 	210
David Lee (Knicks)  0-3-13 	22
Kyle Korver (76ers) 1-2-8 	19

Congrats (one more time) for Leandrinho he is a real 6th man , he give to his team whatever you could expect from a 6th man; Manu is a step bellow and technically is just another POP's experiment.

[WalterBenitez]

Put Manu on the Suns and he'd probably be getting more minutes and averaging at least 21 ppg.

Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned who we traded Barbosa for?

(BTW, which trade was that? I've been googling "barbosa draft trade" but the entry on the Suns' website that will answer my question isn't working!).