Bush and his 'slam dunk' reference

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well, if we're going to start listening to George Tenet now, let's see what all he has to say...


If he has no credibility on Iraq's relationship with al Qaeda, then, you've got to wonder if anything he says is true, eh?

So now we have the typical right wing websites telling us the CIA director didn't know what was really going on..

[Yonivore]

So now we have the typical right wing websites telling us the CIA director didn't know what was really going on..

Those are excerpts from Tenet's book.

I believe he did know what he was talking about.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Those are excerpts from Tenet's book.

I believe he did know what he was talking about.

So then please clarify if he has credibility or not? I knew you were going to cherry pick sections of his book to back your beliefs. You then attack his credibillity when he contradicts what your hero publicly stated. So does he have credibility or not? Yes or No.

[ChumpDumper]

....but he apparently looked at porn, so he has no credibility.[/yonivore]

[George Gervin's Afro]

....but he apparently looked at porn, so he has no credibility.[/yonivore]

I remember that. Yoni stated that his credibility was certainly an issue in his mind. Of course that was before he realized that Tenet was going to be good for commander chickenhawk.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly how would I attack the content of his claim without attacking his credibility? He's not just a messenger here, GGA; he claims something now that he didn't claim then and, frankly, it's his word against his own.

And, frankly, anyone who gets busted with porn on a secure CIA laptop and then blames it on a member of his household is pretty sleazy.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65325

But franky, Yoni believes everything Tenet says when he sees it in someone else's blog.

[Yonivore]

I remember that. Yoni stated that his credibility was certainly an issue in his mind. Of course that was before he realized that Tenet was going to be good for commander chickenhawk.

Well, his recent equivocating on the "slam dunk" reference and blaming the porn, found on his secure CIA laptop, on a member of the household are dependent on his word alone.

The excerpts from his book on al Qaeda's connections to pre-invasion Iraq are sourced and corroborated.

I do question his credibility but, if the information is verifiable, his credibility isn't an issue -- is it?

[ChumpDumper]

Is it verifiable?

There was all sorts of corroboration and multiple sources for WMDs in Iraq too.

Intel is often mistaken for fact.

[boutons_]

"The excerpts from his book on al Qaeda's connections to pre-invasion Iraq are sourced and corroborated."

where?

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Tenet Battled With the Office of Special Plans

By Matt Renner
t r u t h o u t | Report

Wednesday 02 May 2007

In his book, "At the Center of the Storm," former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet describes efforts by Pentagon and White House officials to subvert pre-Iraq war intelligence assessment by the CIA.

Tenet focuses on the actions of a group inside the Pentagon that sent the Bush administration bogus intelligence on Iraq's weapons program and ties to terrorist organizations that supported the administration's policy.

This group was recently criticized by a Department of Defense inspector general report from February 9, 2007, which found that a policy-shop known as "the Office of Special Plans," headed by the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, acted "inappropriately" by cooking intelligence to reflect a "mature and symbiotic" relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida. This characterization was never supported by the CIA, but was presented as fact by Feith's office to White House policy makers in the run up to the Iraq war.

Former CIA intelligence officer Larry C. Johnson called the Office of Special Plans (OSP) "a hodgepodge put together by folks with an agenda." According to Johnson, "The administration started with a presumption of guilt, and the OSP was to hang the ornaments on the tree."

According to Tenet, White House officials tried to prevent the CIA from publishing their own analysis on the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida. A draft report of the CIA analysis of the relationship was sent to the White House in December, 2002, resulting in "a series of calls from the White House," that asked CIA to “revise or withdraw the paper." Tenet names Libby and Hadley as two of the White House officials who made these calls. Tenet claims that a previous draft of this report was given to the DOD for their feedback. Tenet says that Feith's office responded saying that they did have objections “but would make their views known through other channels."

Tenet claims that he did not know the briefings continued despite his direction to Jacoby. As head of the DIA, Jacoby had two bosses: Tenet and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Tenet points out this fact but does not explicitly say that Rumsfeld overruled his direction to Jacoby. The inspector general report concluded that the "inappropriate" activities of Feith's office were authorized by Rumsfeld or his former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz.

The inspector general report points to officials inside the Department of Defense (DOD) who subverted the CIA's assessment of the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida. A DIA critique of the CIA analysis said, "...the CIA report should be read for content only - and CIA's interpretation ought to be ignored." These comments were forwarded by Feith to both Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld.

According to Tenet, White House officials tried to prevent the CIA from publishing their own analysis of the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida. A draft report of the CIA analysis of that relationship was sent to the White House in December 2002, resulting in "a series of calls from the White House" that asked the CIA to "revise or withdraw the paper." Tenet names the vice president's former Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley as two of the White House officials who made these calls. Tenet claims that a previous draft of this report was given to the DOD for their feedback. Tenet says that Feith's office responded saying it had objections, "but would make their views known through other channels."

According to Tenet, do ents pointing to a close relationship between Iraq and al Qa'ida were discovered in Baghdad after the invasion. After analysis by the CIA and the Secret Service, the do ents were proven to be forgeries. According to Tenet, even after being discredited, "These raw, unevaluated do ents continued to show up in the hands of senior administration officials without having gone through normal intelligence channels."

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Thanks to the total disrespect, distrust, and unbeliebability of the WH/Repug Exec, we have no idea of what the truth is, but there are way too many indications from way too many insiders that the Repugs/neo- s/PNAC/AEI had decided on invading Iraq well before dubya "took"/stole office. Two principals/cabinet members report that Iraq was an issue in the very earliest WH meeting right after 20 Jan 2001.

The facts are that there were no WMD, bio-weapons, etc, discovered in Iraq by the UN inspectors not by the US military.

Dubya himself said, finally, there was no link between Saddam and WTC.

Secular/Baathist Saddam co-operating/harboring/support jihadist Al Quaida? GMAFB

[smeagol]

....but he apparently looked at porn, so he has no credibility.[/yonivore]

I guess I have no credibility either, then

[Yonivore]

I guess I have no credibility either, then

Well, if you get busted with it and blame it on your son...no.