Maybe someone should mail Smith this month's copy of Score Magazine - he'd see what an absolutely wonderful guy Tim is and what players and coaches around the league think of him.
Smith sounds like a bitter, spurned, ex-lover - I guess Timmy didn't give him enough attention!
i don't care about all that, duncan seems alright but it was kind of funny how people really wanted to think that joey crawford was asking duncan if he wanted to fight (fisticuffs)...there was no need for duncan to act like that's what crawford meant when it obviously wasn't but then again, he shouldn't have been ejected just because he chooses to act puerile while sitting on the bench, that's his own business
WTF? When did the Players start working for the Refs?
Leeeet's see here:
First of all, the referees are NOT considered superior to the players, they are just there to regulate the game, not run the show. But you make an incredibly horrible analogy, so congrats on that.
So Duncan is at fault for backtalking to "supervisors" because it's unprofessional, but Crawford is exonerated because he was speaking to Duncan as a husband would to his wife.
You can't fault Sam for not laying things out in a professional, unbiased manner.
I find it interesting how people are only focusing on one part of the article and are avoiding the part of any real content:
Duncan is a player referees this season were privately told to watch because he never stops.Coaches around the league cringe at how much complaining he's able to get away with that their players cannot. Even the Spurs coaches have asked him to tone it down.
I'm pretty sure that of the 1,000s of things a coach says to a player per day, 99% of them hear something along those lines. Even in high school my coach said, "Let the refs make bad calls and let the coaches get thrown out for arguing them, but don't take yourself off the floor."
I mean, seriously. This hasn't been an issue in the San Antonio media, and it hasn't been an issue between Duncan and the coaching staff, so I'm guessing whatever they said to him was en passe.
Some people will do anything for a story....Thats because everyone knows that in general Tim is a good guy. It is a shame that they are trying to tear his image with these whole "Tim Duncan complains too much" articles...Ok so he does? So what? People will attack anything for a story. If he complains to much, then why doesn't he lead the league in T's, why wasn't he thrown out of more games? Yeah exactly... I think Tim probably learned to keep control after this last ejection anyways. I imagine he will not whine as much. Besides all that Tim Duncan will go down as the greatest power forward ever, and a 3 time champ who was a winner all the way through his career. I'm sure he doesn't care that he is viewed as a miserable character with the media.
Sorry, but it has been an issue with Duncan. The Spurs do not like how much he has complained and he is doing it less than he did the previous season, but he does have that reputation.
Duncan > Crawford
What a hack article. Of course the guy in en led to his opinions about the Crawford/Duncan episode and beyond. But his assertions about Duncan's character are unfounded and at least cir stationally unsupported. I've read numerous articles and seen numerous interviews, quotes, etc. from Duncan, where he is pleasant, funny and on point. Just because this guy doesn't get his humor . . . what a ing joke of an article.
Ploto
take your ing agenda somehwere else trick.
Tim has let the refs and their calls get in his head and has worried too much about them before...
THAT's what the coaches talked to him about... Stop ing to the refs because it takes away from your PLAYING... It certainly wasnt for the refs sake...
Tim works the refs pretty well... I Like his Delay of Game warning protests... or his "intentional frustration foul" protests...
those are pretty funny..
Kind of like Rasho's reputation for being a pussy in the middle.
The Raptors coaches also told Bosh that he's the worst player in the history of the league. If I said it, it's obviously credible.
Until you provide a link, evidence, or even a reference to your sources, you really shouldn't talk. 99% of all coaches talk to their players about interacting less with the officials, so the fact that you're pointing it out that it's happened with Duncan is slightly inconsequential.
WTF, did Sam ask Timmay for a blow job only to be told to go fvck himself? Because that's exactly how this reads.
Nowhere is it mentioned prior to this section that Duncan is a whiner. The other quote you mentioned is towards the end of the article. How could anyone justifiably make the connection you did?though my TV friends tell me the network roots against the Spurs because they routinely produce low ratings with their vanilla approach and personalities.
Duncan is a player referees this season were privately told to watch because he never stops.
Ask Kori. Anyone who has been around the Spurs knows that Duncan whines to the refs too much and Pop gets tired of it. Like I said, he is better this year, but the previous year was awful. He will miss defensive assignments because he is too busy whining to the refs. I just don't get how people think this is anything new. Have you not been watching??
See- the guy in section 24 knows it. Why doesn't he get attacked for saying the exact same thing that I did?
Every star player on every team whines.
Interesting to read, if it's true and not just made up bull from a hack writer, that Joey C. regrets what he did and wants to come back.
Read like a shout out to shaq but hey thats just my twisted view
Nice post. I liked your article the other day, too. Your star is rising...
However, I agree with timvp that Tim may just disappear into 'real' life away from basketball. He strikes me as a very intelligent man who will want to achieve something in the greater world - I don't know his cause or specific interest (for David it is ministry and Carver, obviously), but I'm sure he has one or more, and, along with the needs of his family, that's what he'll pursue. However, if he does coach, I think he'd be a very good one.
On the other point, the American mainstream media mostly doesn't understand Tim Duncan. He is much smarter than they are (by in large), and their LCD (lowest common denominator) questions piss him off, but he knows he has to answer them so he is either flat, or ironic/sardonic/whimsical, none of which the media can use as a 3 second soundbite, so they in turn don't like him much. It's a communication disjunction caused by the dumb-it-down mass media, which is in turn caused by the extreme pace of life driven by economic realities and cultural phenomena... a human ecology perspective. (I am studying hard right now and thinking way too much!
So there ya go.
^Great point. When I read that, I was like WTF is he talking about?
But a lot of refs think that is the case or are jealous of the players money, women and lifestyle. You don't think Joey Crawford and Bernie Fryer are attracting the kind of talent a guy like Baron "B Diddy" Davis is do you?
The officiating is horrible. As I have posted before, the answer is to take it out of the NBAs hands entirely to remove the perception of bias.
Fire every single existing official. Tell them they can re-apply through the new process, then hire none of them.
Have an independent company provide trained officials (that they poach from the college ranks and elsewhere) and actually supervise, critique and most importantly....assign randomly to games with a public view to the proof that such assignments are random.
No official gets to ref more than 8 years, just like the president.
At age 50, mandatory retirement....if you refuse, they put you into the exploding body chamber like in "Logan's Run"
End of the year comprehensive statistical and video review of all officials, also taking into acct player and team survey input.
Then train each official accordingly on areas they need to improve in and pay the highest graded 25% more and let them be the ones in line for playoff random assignments.
Instead, we have this murky process where a bunch of old men with personal agendas (or maybe even corrupted by organized crime or gambling interests) are assigned UNrandomly from a shady league office in New York controlled by old Eastern interests that seem to not be conducive to fair, unbiased rules interpretation and officiating.
Is this really so hard? Just do it already. Then Stern never has to answer a question again about the refs and the players know that it truly is random and on the up and up. College seems to be officiated decently, there is no reason the NBA needs guys like Joey Crawford, Bernie Fryer, Bob Delaney, Steve Javie, Jack Nies, Bennett Salvatore and Ken Maurer out there for years and years and years randomly fixing and extreme biasing playoff games.
Of course, none of this will ever happen. Stern controls that thing tighter than Tony Soprano in Season 2 or 3.
RENEW!!!At age 50, mandatory retirement....if you refuse, they put you into the exploding body chamber like in "Logan's Run"
That is awesome.RENEW!!!
I thought I was the only one old enough to remember that one!
Farrah was in that! Also, the young girl who goes on the run with the cop who didn't wish to "renew" was pretty hot too!
Have an independent company provide trained officials (that they poach from the college ranks and elsewhere) and actually supervise, critique and most importantly....assign randomly to games with a public view to the proof that such assignments are random.
Weeeeeellllll, sort of? I think that's kind of a good idea. But there is a lot of value in assigning crews and having experienced refs guiding younger refs. So, in the purely theoretical context in which this discussion is taking place, I would think it a good idea to pull two refs out of a pile at random and assign a random crew chief.
But, yeah, it'll never happen.
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