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Subtract defense.
Intelligent.
Shocking
Such is your nature. Ignore all the nice things I say and focus on the one thing you disagree with. I gave Tony a B, and TimVP gave him a C, but whatever.
I'm a hater and that's all I can ever be.
Subtract defense.He should have played Brent more (as a team we haven't had a minus sequence this series with Barry out there) and Bowen less when he was struggling out there
Intelligent.
ShockingI also think he let Tony get a bit too carried away shooting the ball and could have pulled those reins a bit.
Subtract defense.
Intelligent.
Shocking
Such is your nature. Ignore all the nice things I say and focus on the one thing you disagree with. I gave Tony a B, and TimVP gave him a C, but whatever.
I'm a hater and that's all I can ever be.
Subtract defense.
Intelligent.
Shocking
Bruce was a -12. Not exactly that hot defensively.
So now Brent Barry would've done a good job defensively and not Bowen?
Fascinating.
glad you finally owned up to it.I gave Tony a B, and TimVP gave him a C, but whatever.
I'm a hater and that's all I can ever be.
So now Brent Barry would've done a good job defensively and not Bowen?
Fascinating.
glad you finally owned up to it.
Brent could have bought a few minutes against a fatigued Bowen. You forget the court has two sides. Whatever Brent would have cost us on one end vs. Bruce, he could have made up for on the other end.
I guess we are going to have to disagree. Manu's overall energy and aggressiveness was much, much better than the first two games. He sped up his decision making and was overall just letting it all hang out. That is when Manu is at his best.
I feel pretty confident in my analysis, especially looking at the +/- of the game. He finished +15, which tied Horry as the best on the Spurs. It was a big improvement from his -7 Game 1 and +0 Game 2.
If you don't see the difference in how Manu played tonight and how he played the first two games of the series, then I understand why we would disagree on his performance. If Manu plays like he does tonight, the Spurs are damn tough to beat and you can see his production in the +/-. If he's not as aggressive like in the first two games, he's more of an ordinary player and the Spurs aren't as good.
With Manu, you can usually throw the stats out the window. He's one of the rare players who can win games without making a dent in the stat sheet.
And yeah, I did subtract some for him tiring out in the fourth (along with Tim). Parker deserves props for keeping the Spurs afloat during that stretch.
Parker was hard to grade. For stretches he was the worst player on the court, but for other stretches he was the best player on the court. His shots in the fourth were huge and his defense was outstanding in stretches. I'll probably watch the game again and see if it should be adjusted, but for now I'll stick with the C.
His grade is going to shoot way up once you rewatch it.
I'm just saying the dude was plenty aggressive and going to the basket the second half of game 2. He got 15 second half points some way, didn't he?
No one ever denied that.I'm just saying the dude was plenty aggressive and going to the basket the second half of game 2. He got 15 second half points some way, didn't he?
It was the first half he was unagressive in.
People must have been watching a different game than I...I thought this was perhaps the best defensive game of Parker's career and when he was on AI it was just about the best D I have ever seen played on AI.
I mean yeah AI got hot in stretches...
sincerely, everyone who has ever guarded him in the NBA.
Seriously, I was impressed with Parker's D tonight. I was barbecuing in the second half though and might have missed some lapses.
timvp just said he was unaggressive both games, not 1 1/2 games.
I thought Manu's aggressiveness was pivotal for the Spurs tonight. It was something that has definitely been missing in Games 1 and 2 and it really set the tone tonight.
I'm still monumentally impressed by the fact that the Spurs could be outshot at the line by 16 and doubled-up in 2nd chance points and still find a way to win that game. The defense (other than the defensive rebounding) was huge tonight. If the Nuggets hadn't been bailed out time and again with some relatively weak -- or at least inconsistent -- calls, the Spurs blow them out in Game 3.
The Spurs defensive rebounding effort MUST improve in Game 4, but I like the offensive efficiency that the Spurs showed in Game 3.
Bury them in Game 4.
Settle down, I wouldn't go that far...
I think Tony was really good defensively against Barbosa the last time we played Phx.
Brent could have bought a few minutes against a fatigued Bowen. You forget the court has two sides. Whatever Brent would have cost us on one end vs. Bruce, he could have made up for on the other end
Thats the same at ude that lost the Spurs the series vs Dallas last year genius.
timvp just said he was unaggressive both games, not 1 1/2 games.
And he was a -3 in the second half of Game 2. He was scoring more off of broken plays and trick sets rather than just pure aggressiveness. Just because he's scoring doesn't mean he's being aggressive.
Tonight Manu played by far his best game of the series. If you want to disagree with me, go ahead. This was Playoff Manu. I didn't recognize that Argentinean shooting guard in the first two games.
Take into account that AI is about 4 times the player Barbosa is, then you get his best defensive effort so far.Settle down, I wouldn't go that far...
I think Tony was really good defensively against Barbosa the last time we played Phx
Dude...this was Allen Freaking Iverson and Parker messed up his game tonight, big time...no one does that to AI. AI was frustrrated by Parker tonight...I've never seen AI frustrated by a single defender before.
Seriously...has no one seen what AI has done to us in fourth quarters throughout his career? , most other teams too.
AI is the toughest player to guard in the NBA...no one makes him look mortal. Parker did.
Yeah I thought Parker's defense was pretty spectacular in stretches. He was out Bowening Bowen for most of the night. This performance could be up there with the time he held Arenas to 0-for-13 or whatever that was.
I'm just happy that we played a "B" game and that was enough to beat a Denver team on the road when they're supposedly "so much better" than the '05 version.
Sorry, don't see it. They still have pretty much the same strengths and weaknesses, IMO. Boykins/Miller then is pretty equal to Iverson/Blake now. Yeah AI is better than Boykins, but Miller >> Blake. His size gave Tony problems defensively in '05.
Game 3 is always the toughest one to get for a heavy favorite because the underdog's fans are pumped the most and the refs get intimidated into lots of foul calls. I said it'd be over in five games before the series and I'm confident that it will.
This is the game we had to get. Now the air is let out of Denver's balloon. The seed of doubt has been planted. They've lost home court advantage, lost to us twice in a row, and deep down they know we haven't even played all that well against them. They resorted to the same thuggish on Manu and still lost. They'll play one last tough quarter coming out of the chute in Game 4, but if the Spurs hang in there, they'll fold their tents pretty quickly. Your best players can't lead you to the promise land when they only play one end of the floor and both Melo and AI expend no energy on defense.
This series isn't over. As long as AI is on the other team, they have a chance. This is the same AI who owned the Lakers in 2001 in Game 1 of the Finals ... and that Lakers team was probably a top 5 team of all-time.
Plus, Carmelo is clutch and a bigtime scorer.
If AI and Melo get hot, they can win any game.
Undoubtedly. But the pressure on Denver in Game 4 is going to be immense.
Thats the same at ude that lost the Spurs the series vs Dallas last year genius.
If you want to base everything on how people played in the Dallas series, then Horry should never play TPark. He was 4 of 16 that series, Brent was 12 of 24.
This AI has lost a couple of steps compared to the '01 version. And that one played on a much better defensive team. , even he was a better defensive player back then. Iverson pretty much quit playing defense four years ago.
And Melo is incredibly overrated. All he does is score. He is terrible defensively, can't pass, and doesn't make his teammates better. The guy is a total loser.
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