Heat from tanker truck collapses steel reinforced overpass

[smeagol]

The "explosives brough the WTC" theory is rock solid. So rock solid, nobody can make fun of it or the dudes that support it.

[Phenomanul]

His credentials don't include humor recognition.

I understood the satirical overtones embedded in the posts above my initial one....

Mookie's reluctance to see the relevance of this article to the ongoing 9/11 CT threads around here is what I found humorous... but that was only after the phrase 'conveniently absent' crossed my mind.

[1369]

Now thermite melts concrete?

[RandomGuy]

But no steel reinforced concrete bridge has ever collapsed due to a fire.

The bridge collapse happened on a day that was a Freemason holy ritual day.

Witnesses say they heard explosions, so it must have been a bomb.

They have refused to release the blueprints of the overpass, so they MUST be hiding somehing.

The BBC reported that the bridge collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

[RandomGuy]

its so edgy and irreverant comparing this to September 11th, thats funny

We're not comparing it to 9-11.

We're comparing it to ty 9-11 conspiracy theories.

BIG difference.

[mookie2001]

oh ok. alright so it is funny? like i said then, yall sure are sarcastic

[Yonivore]

For The First Time In History, Fire Melts Steel

Physicists are baffled by the seemingly impossible. Noted structural engineers Rosie O'Donnell and Spurstalk's own Nbadan could not be reached for comment.

::chirp::chirp::chirp::

A section of freeway that funnels traffic off the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge collapsed early Sunday after a gasoline tanker truck overturned and caught fire, authorities said.

The heat from the fire was intense enough to melt part of the freeway and cause the collapse, but the truck's driver walked away from the scene with second-degree burns.

Scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, and CERNE Laboratories are pe ioning the government to cordon off the area to keep the site of this unprecedented event pristine enough for scientific investigation. "It's like witnessing the live birth of a new universe," Normal Druvovitch of JPL said. "

Physicist Kip Thorne believes the area may in fact be a "naked singularity," a region in space in which the normal physical laws that govern the universe simply fail to operate. He suggests that the National Guard be activated to surround the area at a "safe distance," in order to keep the curious well away from the site. "Strange energies may be radiating from the wreckage as we speak," Thorne said. "Bizarre forms of radiation, atoms and quarks previously unseen in our reality. Maybe even wizards riding dinosaurs and crazy like that."

But, all are awaiting Rosie and Dan to weigh in on the miracle.

[Nbadan]

2000 degrees versus 800 degrees, and where's the melted steel anyway? nuf said...

[Yonivore]

2000 degrees versus 800 degrees, and where's the melted steel anyway? nuf said...

From the same freakin' story:

Witnesses reported flames rising up to 200 feet into the air. Heat exceeded 2,750 degrees and caused the steel beams holding up the interchange from eastbound I-80 to eastbound Interstate 580 above to buckle and bolts holding the structure together to melt, leading to the collapse, California Department of Transportation director Will Kempton said.

Dan, it's official, you are a ing idiot.

[The_Worlds_finest]

(ofcourse that is so relevent and shouldnt the bottom level have been pancaked by the weight of the second level falling on it?) dripping with sarcasm

But here big guy these are some fires actually in the same ball park as the Skyscraper collapses



ofcourse in non of these cases the buildings collapsed...and judging fom the photos the fires were much more damaging then the ones in nYC

[johnsmith]

(ofcourse that is so relevent and shouldnt the bottom level have been pancaked by the weight of the second level falling on it?) dripping with sarcasm

But here big guy these are some fires actually in the same ball park as the Skyscraper collapses



ofcourse in non of these cases the buildings collapsed...and judging fom the photos the fires were much more damaging then the ones in nYC

Wow, how many planes crashed into those buildings?

[The_Worlds_finest]

as many planes that crashed into WTC 7, remember cowboy all aspects of your beloved lie need to stand up to truth

[Extra Stout]

as many planes that crashed into WTC 7, remember cowboy all aspects of your beloved lie need to stand up to truth

How many nearby collapsing skyscrapers crashed into the building shown above?

[johnsmith]

as many planes that crashed into WTC 7, remember cowboy all aspects of your beloved lie need to stand up to truth

I'm not sure I recall anyone saying that WTC 7 collapsed just from fire........could be wrong though........pretty sure I'm not.........but I could be.

[RandomGuy]

as many planes that crashed into WTC 7, remember cowboy all aspects of your beloved lie need to stand up to truth

1) How much thermite would it take to sever the columns?

2) How many man hours would it require to set the thermite?

3) How was the thermite kept in contact with the steel long enough to melt it?

A few more inconvenient questions that can't be answered by the CTer version of things.

Remember they contend that the whole building , BOTH of them, i.e. 220 stories worth of building, came down in this manner.

Thermite takes a few minutes to work on THIN steel objects (it also tends to travel downwards due to gravity, as opposed to sideways through columns).

Considering the massive amount of steel columns (remember, they like to go on endlessly about the 47 core columns, not to mention the perimeter ones), that much steel melting would produce a LOT of heat.

Since they contend the steel MELTED, you are talking enough thermite to melt a LOT of steel.

Can they find evidence of the companies who make this stuff getting large orders for explosives in the months leading up to it?

I suppose the thousands of man hours used in setting thousands of charges in 220 stories of building was probably not volunteer work. Maybe they could find financial records that support this massive effort?

Or maybe they can point out why NO ONE noticed the massive labor effort and tons of materials moving into the buildings?

[johnsmith]

How many nearby collapsing skyscrapers crashed into the building shown above?

Ah, nevermind, ES already pointed out what an idiot you are.

[RandomGuy]

Ask these ass-clowns a few simple questions:

1) How much thermite would it take to sever the columns?

2) How many man hours would it require to set the thermite?

3) How was the thermite kept in contact with the steel long enough to melt it?

A few more inconvenient questions that can't be answered by the CTer version of things.

Remember they contend that the whole building , BOTH of them, i.e. 220 stories worth of building, came down in this manner.

Thermite takes a few minutes to work on THIN steel objects (it also tends to travel downwards due to gravity, as opposed to sideways through columns).

Considering the massive amount of steel columns (remember, they like to go on endlessly about the 47 core columns, not to mention the perimeter ones), that much steel melting would produce a LOT of heat. Did anybody on the lower floors report such heat? If that much heat was used, why was there not more evidence of fire and heat?

Since they contend the steel MELTED, you are talking enough thermite to melt a LOT of steel.

Can they find evidence of the companies who make this stuff getting large orders for explosives in the months leading up to it?

I suppose the thousands of man hours used in setting thousands of charges in 220 stories of building was probably not volunteer work. Maybe they could find financial records that support this massive effort?

Or maybe they can point out why NO ONE noticed the massive labor effort and tons of materials moving into the buildings?

[johnsmith]

1) How much thermite would it take to sever the columns?

2) How many man hours would it require to set the thermite?

3) How was the thermite kept in contact with the steel long enough to melt it?

A few more inconvenient questions that can't be answered by the CTer version of things.

Remember they contend that the whole building , BOTH of them, i.e. 220 stories worth of building, came down in this manner.

Thermite takes a few minutes to work on THIN steel objects (it also tends to travel downwards due to gravity, as opposed to sideways through columns).

Considering the massive amount of steel columns (remember, they like to go on endlessly about the 47 core columns, not to mention the perimeter ones), that much steel melting would produce a LOT of heat.

Since they contend the steel MELTED, you are talking enough thermite to melt a LOT of steel.

Can they find evidence of the companies who make this stuff getting large orders for explosives in the months leading up to it?

I suppose the thousands of man hours used in setting thousands of charges in 220 stories of building was probably not volunteer work. Maybe they could find financial records that support this massive effort?

Or maybe they can point out why NO ONE noticed the massive labor effort and tons of materials moving into the buildings?

Poppy Random Guy and you know it.

Everyone knows that all these questions can be answered from just a few links to loosechange.com and so on.

[Yonivore]

Well, neither of the structures pictured have the amount of undamaged structure -- and all the associated weight -- piled on top of them that the World Trade Center had above the impact points of the two hijacked airliners.

And, well, just because the four structures (WTC 1, WTC 2, and the two unidentified building in your photos) may contain steel, that doesn't mean their structural limits are the same.

Finally, their is no indication the intensity and composition of the fire involved in each structure was similar -- except for the fact we know the genesis of each of the WTC fires was identical, fully-fueled commercial aircraft, impacting at close to 500 mph.

[RandomGuy]

Furthermore, a very large quan y of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed incon uously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

[johnsmith]

Furthermore, a very large quan y of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed incon uously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

RG, that information can easily be ignored.........errrrrrr........debated.........er rrrrr.........disproven..........errrrrrrr........ .alright, ignored.

[Extra Stout]

RG, that information can easily be ignored.........errrrrrr........debated.........er rrrrr.........disproven..........errrrrrrr........ .alright, ignored.

Those Jews are very crafty. I'm sure they could have pulled it off.

[RandomGuy]

Furthermore, a very large quan y of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed incon uously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/density.htm

One cubic centimeter of Iron weighs 7.8 grams.

This means that a pound is about a 1.5 inch cube.

So for every two inch cube of steel, it would require 1/10 of a pound of thermite.

CTers LOVE to go on about how thick the columns were, and here is where it bites them in the ass.

If it takes .13 pounds of thermite to get steel to 700 degrees, then to get to melting point (2000 degrees if memory serves) would take about two and half times that.

Call it about a third of a pound of thermite PER 1.5 INCH CUBE melted.

Notice that none of the CTers have ever gotten even this far into calculating what their happy fun theory posits.

HOW MANY 1.5 inch cubes are in those "MASSIVELY THICK" columns? Multiply that by the number of columns.
Multiply that by the number of floors.

WHERE THE CHRISTLY DID ALL THAT THERMITE COME FROM?

[The_Worlds_finest]

ahhh you figure the 4 5 6 would fall from the damage before number 7 since you know...sorry just look at the map

[The_Worlds_finest]

and as for your "governement reports" you expect me to believe that when people within the government did 911....goodness ignorance is bliss