Marion is going to be ed pissed.
Even as a Laker fan, I clearly agree. It is ludicrous for Kobe to be on any All D team for this season. Or last season. Or the one before that.
It has been several years since Kobe played any consistent defense. In his "defense", when you have to carry the entire offense by yourself, it is somewhat understandable.
But that is a joke to even have an award if you are going to say he played better defense this year than Kirk Hinrich.
I just think it's outrageous for this award to be voted on by some journalists.
MANU o'er KOBE anytime!
What brilliance from you again.
Both first team starters again. That is phat ass!! All Western starting lineup.
Also notice the coaches didn't get sucked into any Shawn Marion hoo-ha.
Gilbert Focking Arenas got a vote.
Having two members of your no-defense trick ass team on any of the AD teams would have made them irrelavent.
I always give prahps to Heinrich, but he's all defensive team material now? When the heck did this happen??
How is Kobe first team?
why don't they just let the coaches vote for DPOY? at least they have first-hand experience than some journalist who will just look at the stat sheet.
He's probably the best defensive point guard out there. Not Harris. Anyone remember when he held Tony to 6 points on about January?
Bowen had the most votes of any player by far and he didn't get the award??? Makes no sense.
He´s the kind of player (re ed) who cares with this stuff, just like Camby...
This is a really lame stance. I'm not going to come out and say that Phoenix is a good defensive team, because they aren't, but simply because a team doesn't play the same style of defense, or play at the same level of defense as the Spurs doesn't mean they don't play defense.
They aren't your traditional defense. They really can't be. They run a SF at PF for much of the game and two PFs at C for practically all of it. They can't play the stand 'em up, man-to-man defense of the Spurs. They haven't the ability.
But you're implying that they don't play any. Actually, you're not even implying. You're flat-out stating. Yeah, that's why they have a opponants FG% identical to the defensive minded Pacers, or one just .2% over that of Utah.
Also, remember that their percentage is skewed because they are such an average defensive rebounding team, allowing the third-most offensive rebounds per game. These rebounds generally are scored on as point-blank putbacks and layins, offsetting the initial miss they forced in the process.
I've watched this team for practically three seasons in their entirety and, without a doubt, this is their best defensive team yet. No, they aren't top-5, but they are borderline top-10. When you're as small and as skinny as the Suns are, I don't see how you can be expected to be much better.
Marion was fourth in the defensive player of the year voting. Do they have different voters for the effin' Defensive teams? The three who were voted above him each made the 1st-Team. How does his fourth-place finish barely even garner an honorable mention?
He has guarded PGs to PFs and, while not a great defender at any one position, his versatility is the key for whatever defense the Suns do muster up. He averages double-digit rebounds year after year, is consistantly in the top-5 in steals, averages more blocks per game than half the starting centers in the League and does so at 6-7, 225 pounds.
You can not like the way the Suns play, but make no mistake, they play defense. Maybe not all the time, and certainly not up to your elitist Spurs standards, but Marion and Bell bust their asses as much as any defenders in the League. Your pompous jackass stance is laughable.
Seriously. Get over yourself.
Spurs are the better team twixt the two. At least for now. They are such because they have the bodies to muscle up the Suns and expose their biggest defensive weakness: defensive rebounding.
In the next series, note how many initial possession misses the Spurs tally, then how many easy buckets are made off of offensive rebound putbacks.
And before you tell me true defense is not just forcing misses, but also getting stops, pray tell how Marion or Bell can/should do any more than each already does? How much more can each do, defending the likes of Kobe to LeBron, Dirk to Parker, Iverson to McGrady, Carmelo to Terry, and so on and so forth.
Defensive awards should be as much about effort as they are stats, and nobody can call into question either's.
I like the Spurs a lot and will always pull for them in the Finals, but sometimes the at ude of, "If it's not like us, then it's not even defense" is insufferable.
For the record, I don't think Bell deserved 1st-Team. I think Marion deserved 2nd, if not 1st, and Bell an honorable mention.
Last edited by JMarkJohns; 05-01-2007 at 01:19 AM.
I believe that the head coaches vote for All Defensive Team and the Sportswriters vote for Defensive Player of the YearMarion was fourth in the defensive player of the year voting. Do they have different voters for the effin' Defensive teams? The three who were voted above him each made the 1st-Team. How does his fourth-place finish barely even garner an honorable mention?
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