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Nobody can compare robinson to nowitzki
dRob was a better player and not with a big team
stupid thing..............
The comparison can be overstated but it's valid. Neither Dirk nor Dave are the type of player to carry a team to a le because (1) they don't have a go to move at the end of the game and (2) they don't have that stubborn indomitable edge. The point of the article is not to disparage Dave -- he's one of the all time greats. It just points out that the list of players that lead teams to the le is very short -- over a period of 16 years, 15 of the les were won by 4 guys.
Nobody can compare robinson to nowitzki
dRob was a better player and not with a big team
stupid thing..............
Odd it doesn't mention how shaq was swept twice in his life.... if you take dirk off the mavs and put in drob, they would destroy every one.
i was going along with the guy's article until i read your rebuttals. it seems like the guy just wanted to say don't count dirk out, he just needs more help. that means the author should have stuck to comparing supporting casts or something, because the comparison based on the fact that both men won the mvp during the time they got knocked out of the playoffs probably doesn't hold much water. are we saying this is the only time a regular season mvp has not gotten the championship? obviously not, so that tenet of his argument tumbles. after that, there isn't a whole lot to compare dirk to robinson aside from the time it took to get a ring. and even that argument gets shot down since it took jordan six or eight years before he got his first.
Amen.It's not like Drob played with a 2 time MVP as his PG for 5 years or anything....or even Michael Finley as his 2 guard.
Deport? No...we are Texans...I say shoot him.Comparing David Robinson to 2007 Dirk should be enough to deport Finger out of the city.
11 of the last 16 championships were won by Robert Horry or Steve Kerr.
Finger's take is reprehensible. There's a quantum difference between a guy who demotes himself to a role player because he can't handle the pressure being applied to him and a guy who continues to step up but is out played by a Hall of Famer having a sublime couple of weeks. David's games in that Houston series (pts-rebounds) were:
Game 1: 21-9
Game 2: 32-12
Game 3: 29-9
Game 4: 20-16
Game 5: 22-12
Game 6: 19-10
(If his rebounding numbers seem a tad on the limited side, remember that David was sharing the front court with Dennis Rodman, who averaged 15 boards per game in that series, and had games of 17, 19, 14, and 20 rebounds.)
But more than that, the boxscores reflect that David continued to play his game during that series. He averaged 15 FGA and 12 FTA per game in that series. (for whatever it's worth, Olajuwon averaged almost 28 shots per night but only got to the line 5 times per game). David shot better than 50% in 4 of the 6 games in that series, including games of 10-15 and 10-18 (Games 4 and 5).
Stats don't tell the whole story, of course, but trying to compare Dirk making himself into a role player and David playing well, but just not well enough, is ridiculous.
Get a rope.Deport? No...we are Texans...I say shoot him.
time to jam him email box
Yeah, Finger ignores some data & facts in his article. His argument seems based more on emotions and feelings than anything quantifiable.
Here's emotion, however. The 1995 Spurs broke my heart. I still get all emotional thinking about that team.
Correction, Hakeem went on to average 33 ppg with Shaq and Horace Grant double teaming him in the next round sweep over the Magic.
So by that logic.
Karl Malone = Nowitzki = Robinon = Barkley = Thurmond = Baylor = Gervin = Koncak = Nique = Mark Eaton = every other NBA player who has never won a ring.
Because we all know that not winning the ring is the one common thread, without regard of reason.
Am I surprised that an article like this would appear? Not really. Am I surprised that it would show up in the Excuse for News? A little.
The 2007 Mavs are a more talented team than the 2007 Warriors. The Spurs in '95 were not the more talented team, which should not come as a surprise to anyone who was a Spurs fan during the early to mid 90s.
DRob carried some rather anemic and disgusting supporting casts during those years. Sure, those teams were good enough to rack up 50+ wins a season but predictably met an early fate in most postseasons. Put DRob on a team with the talent the Mavs have on the perimeter and we'd never have had to wait until 1999 to raise the first banner.
In addition, it's amazing to me how Kevin Garnett has gone unmentioned in this discussion.
I will now leave with this parting shot: SG Vinny Del Negro.
Last edited by Marcus Bryant; 05-05-2007 at 09:20 AM.
The sad thing is that Mike Fingered most probably got the idea to write the shameful article after reading a certain dumbass post in here yesterday.
I am ashamed that Mr. Robinson will be reading this in the San Antonio newspaper today.
This is also the same Rockets team that was the NBA champion the previous year and the same team that beat a very good 2-seeded Utah Jazz (60-22), then beat a very good 3-seeded Phoenix Suns (59-23), before beating SA in the WCF.
People also forget that the Spurs lost the first two games at home before winning the next 2 games IN HOUSTON. Does that sound like surrender to you?
1 1995-05-22 SAS HOU L 93-94 HOU leads 1-0
2 1995-05-24 SAS HOU L 96-106 HOU leads 2-0
3 1995-05-26 SAS @HOU W 107-102 HOU leads 2-1
4 1995-05-28 SAS @HOU W 103-81 Tied 2-2
5 1995-05-30 SAS HOU L 90-111 HOU leads 3-2
6 1995-06-01 SAS @HOU L 95-100 HOU wins 4-2
Dear David:
Please don't read today's newspaper.
As usual--its full of .
Signed,
Editor Bob Rivard
In the case of DRob and Dirk, the similarities are obvious. They are big men without a consistent "go to" move down low and they were not able to put their teams on their backs.
The differences are also obvious -- DRob didn't have a low post move because he relied strictly on athleticism around the hoop, Dirk because he has a great mid-range jumper. RDob was a great defensive player (who simply couldn't stop the unstoppable Hakeem), Dirk has no D.
The article is uncontroversial and merely acknowledges what many have been observing for years, including Steve Kerr and Dr. Jack Ramsey.
More to the point, where was all this support for DRob when the same "let's run 'im outta town" crowd was seething at DRob for simply re-signing with the Spurs in 2001? Herd mentality and conventional wisdom run amok, just with a different target.
Last edited by Russ; 05-05-2007 at 09:37 AM.
Whoa calm down. Not in the state. Have you read some of the crap Kirk Bohls writes here in Austin. And dont get me started on the bias crap dallas writes. This article is BS though...
Mike Finger should have not compared No"show"itzki to the Admiral. Those are two different scenarios and losing to the "Dream" is nothing to be embarrased about.
All Finger had to say was this: Look, Dirk is a jump shooter that isn't aggressive, doesn't play D and won't take it to the basket. He needs a big man that gets second chance points and crashes the boards while scoring down low. When your team's center and low post presence averages somewhere around 24 minutes in series...you're probably going to have a hard time.
Comparing Robinson to Nowitski is comparing apples and oranges. The only thing you can say, the broadest sense, is they are/were atraditional offensive players for their size. It ends there. Robinson was saddled with some of the least talented teams imaginable (for supposed championship caliber), and yet he somehow found a way to elevate the play of his less talented teammates and will them into the playoffs every year. I have yet to see Nowitski raise the level of his teammates play, or even actively impose his will on another team. Can you remember a playoff series where all you could talk about was the way Dirk willed his team to victory?
This is an asinine comparison, and further proof that upon the death of traditional print media I will not shed a tear. This just proves that seeking well-thought out sports takes and information is no longer found in newspapers and print media, but on the internet sports sites and forums.
Go yourself Finger, log onto the net and see what sports journalism is all about.
Besides the fact that David could have only dreamed of having supporting casts even close to the level that Dirk enjoyed the past several years, let's not forget about the coaching.
I mean, I think Avery Johnson is a little roach but the guy was Coach of the Year. No one in their right mind would equate him with Bob Hill.
Finger needs to get an ass reaming.
This is ing stupid. He must have been searching for something to write about and decided to pull this out of his ass.
Or maybe he actually believes this. Awesome.
What a ing idiot. If DRob had ever had half the supporting cast that Dirk had this year, he would have won a ring or three.
Someone needs to drive down to the Excuse for News and beat the out of this guy.
robinson didnt choke in the first round..thats the n difference
The above has about as much to do with Robinson's performance on the court as the '95 WCF has to do with the Mavs-Warriors series.More to the point, where was all this support for DRob when the same "let's run 'im outta town" crowd was seething at DRob for simply re-signing with the Spurs in 2001? Herd mentality and conventional wisdom run amok, just with a different target.
I'd be a little careful with that comparison Whott. I'd like to see the numbers adjusted for pace (on a per 100 possesions basis) before I'd say that the Admiral had a better series than Tim did. That was in a much faster era of the NBA, while the Spurs slowed this Denver series right down...
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