Discrepancy in All-NBA voting?

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I never questioned the Spurs ability to win this series, but many fans here are already certain this series is over. Some were certain before it had even started. While it's looking better for San Antonio than Phoenix right now, series have a funny way of changing suddenly. I know everyone expects these Suns to lay down the way the 2005 Suns did, but I can attest that these Suns are nothing like those Suns and the at ude in their locker room after the game one loss was more of anger than disappointment.

You can attest all you wish, but it's disingenuous of you to imply that the Suns quit in that series. They were a very good team that got their asses handed to them by a better team. You should be proud of their performance in game 4 because they played great, winning the game on a great defensive play. The Spurs are more than capable of falling asleep and pissing away the playoffs in relatively short order. Any Spurs fan that was watching as recently as 2004 should know that. I still believe that the defensive team can dictate the tempo of the game if they choose, and the Suns are at a disadvantage in that case just as they were in 2005. The Spurs are out of sync and the Suns should take advantage of that as long as they can. If the Spurs keep sleepwalking through this series they stand an excellent chance of going back to Phoenix tied or in a hole.

Sometimes it's not that they disagree with the opinion, only the condescending way in which it's presented, or the absolutes with no basis. Had your initial post said what your last one said, I'm not responding, because I agree.

My original post was that I was surprised that anyone would vote for Amare for first team, considering that it's just a technicality of his position that gets him in, and I was downright shocked that he would actually MAKE the first team. I must confess that I don't quite know how to present evidence that I was surprised. I then got called a crybaby by a Suns fan who has been here all of a week. Are you really all that surprised that I went back and said that the voters are idiots just to irritate him? Haven't you been here long enough to recognize what I was doing? Someone that gets pissed off that I dare to express an opinion about a player on his team isn't someone you should feel the need to defend.

[JMarkJohns]

You can attest all you wish, but it's disingenuous of you to imply that the Suns quit in that series. They were a very good team that got their asses handed to them by a better team. You should be proud of their performance in game 4 because they played great, winning the game on a great defensive play. The Spurs are more than capable of falling asleep and pissing away the playoffs in relatively short order. Any Spurs fan that was watching as recently as 2004 should know that. I still believe that the defensive team can dictate the tempo of the game if they choose, and the Suns are at a disadvantage in that case just as they were in 2005. The Spurs are out of sync and the Suns should take advantage of that as long as they can. If the Spurs keep sleepwalking through this series they stand an excellent chance of going back to Phoenix tied or in a hole.

My point was late in games, the 2005 Suns faded. It was largely the Spurs, but the Suns youth and inexperience factored in. These Suns have more experience thanks to that year's and last year's run. They know more, know how to handle more. That year it was run-n-gun or bust. This year they can actually make adjustments if they can't win their way.

When I said they rolled over, I merely meant they were a one-trick pony and if said trick didn't work, they faded and did so farely quickly most times.

My original post was that I was surprised that anyone would vote for Amare for first team, considering that it's just a technicality of his position that gets him in, and I was downright shocked that he would actually MAKE the first team. I must confess that I don't quite know how to present evidence that I was surprised. I then got called a crybaby by a Suns fan who has been here all of a week. Are you really all that surprised that I went back and said that the voters are idiots just to irritate him? Haven't you been here long enough to recognize what I was doing? Someone that gets pissed off that I dare to express an opinion about a player on his team isn't someone you should feel the need to defend.

You're response to sunsbum is just fine with me. I have no qualms about the posters here taking the newbies, many who think they can come in, make silly comments, whine, , moan, call other posters out and the like without getting grief.

I wasn't defending him at all. Merely Amare as a player, mostly an improved all-around player who deserved credit for such without always being lumped in as a system/Nash beneficiary, and also to point out that this series isn't over just yet. They are in better shape than they were in 2005, so while the Spurs (and their fans) should be confident, in no way should they say the Suns haven't a chance unless the NBA conspires to get them in.

Amare/Suns. Them's my gripes. You ing out a newbie didn't even factor in. I was treated much, much worse initially. This is a kinder, gentler Spurstalk. They've had to get used to all the opposition fans on the board. In 2005 when I joined, I was but one of three or four Suns fans, and maybe 20-to-25 opposition fans here. Now, each team has a dozen or so, many being just annoying.

Phoenix does whine too much, it's players and coach do need to shut up, the Suns aren't great yet, just a very good team bordering on greatness, but they'll need to win the West before greatness can be granted, and the Spurs are a great team, having three les to their name, and enough if "it" to add a fourth this year, if they manage to get past the Suns.

Them's my takes.

[Dave McNulla]

if you add the first place votes up and divide by 5, you get 129. if you look up a bunch of the players, you'll see f/c or g/f. how can you not get to decide which they are for the vote if it's going to be like that? i can remember dirk going to the all-star game as a reserve over david robinson when shaq dropped out (yao was the first place vote getter). if they say dirk is a center for the asg, why not dirk or duncan for all-nba?