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the announcement comes today! mvp
at least Horry did not elbow nash in the face. It looked like he did at first.
the announcement comes today! mvp
I appreciate the support, fellas. I found a way to hide a crowbar in my jock strap, so look forward to more "big shots" by me in game 5!
roho maybe you should resort to flopping....violence gets you nowhere
Mad Dog- You often win games by having B players...aka Robert Horry...Start Fights with A players aka Steve Nash......Anyone that has played or coached 6th grade basketball or football has seen dirty tactics such as these...
Don’t act like your team is holier than thou...The Spurs have played dirty this series...Read the posts...Spurs fans are proud of it...
Well, let me ask you as someone who is "non-partisan" (yeah, right!).
Do you think it was a smart play by Horry?
Let's, for the sake of discussion, assume Horry gets suspended, but no Suns player does.
Is that a "smart tactic"?
(And if you think Nash is going to get in a fight with Horry, your dumber than I thought).
Yeah, that little Nash flops way too much! In game 6 where my plan is to launch a grenade at him, I bet he'll flop so bad that it will look like I killed him or something!roho maybe you should resort to flopping....violence gets you nowhere
Yea im all about seeing people get hurt!
i love it!
I DO think bowen is a dirty player, if you call hard ass defense dirty. He makes the shooters think about what they are actually doing at all points on the floor. This takes them off their game, and istead of concentrating on jump shots, they are concerned where he is all the time. You can see it all day watching steve nash. Nash is so worried about bowen, you can always see him scanning the floor looking for him. Do i think he does things to intentionally hurt people, no i dont. He is a good man, good character, no one like that would intentionally try and hurt people. Do i think he is a master at crowding a jump shooters space, absolutely. You do that enough times, and people are going to land on you. Does kobe try and take jump shots over bowen? No...he takes him off the dribble, because he knows bowen has the advantage in the jumpshooting game. Same go's with Dwade, do you hear either one of those two whining about bruce bowen? i dont.
Horry made a frustrated play, i am personally glad he hip checked rather than did the traditional wrap up foul. I think the suns were playing rough all game, and horry decided to take one for the team and show him who wins at the rough game.
that said, do i wish it happened all the time every game...no, but ill take that one last night. Like i said, the foul was sold more than it was committed.
Uh, hate to break this to you, but we LOST.
Trust me, he won't have to sell the next foul because my Glock 18 will do all the work.
i guess you missed the point.
Ok lets get this out of teh way, or all we will have is quips by you untill the next game.Trust me, he won't have to sell the next foul because my Glock 18 will do all the work.
OMG HAHAHAHAH THAT IS SO ORIGINAL AND FUNNY AND QUICK WITTED!!!! OH LOL YOU ARE THE MAN, COMEDY GENIOUS!!! OMG HAHA CHEAP SHOT ROB!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
ok...back on task now.
I guess I did.
To reiterate my point, dirty plays cost you games. Period.
Spurs can't afford to play dirty. If Amare gets suspended, and we win game 5, then Horry's damn lucky. You can't tell me he planned for Amare to jump off the bench when he "checked" Nash!
No. His play was purely emotional.
I dont fault him for it though. he is human.
Finally, we agree on something.
Now I just need to convince you his actions were wrong.
why do you insist on his actions being wrong? it was a foul during a basketball game.....
Is it really necessary that all Spurs fans share your viewpoint? I honestly don't think the foul was necessary, but it was compounded by Nash's flop making it seem worse.
In the end, I think the Spurs were getting pounded by the refs and Horry just let the frustration get the best of him. Had he slid over and drawn a charge nobody would be calling Nash for a dirty shot...
It's over, lets see what the NBA does.
Duh. Because all fouls are wrong and shouldn't happen.
Because it was an unnecessary foul...
or do you think it was not excessive?
Look, I'm not trying to rub anyone's face in it. I just think Spurs fans should be honest and call a spade a spade.
I happen to think that most of the time, Spurs play hard defense, and are not "dirty." I believe that facts back me up on that.
If Spurs fans defend Horry's foul, then next time Bruce Bowen accidently kicks someone in the nuts, we have zero credibility.
That's why I'm being such a hard-ass about this.
If they want to label the Spurs dirty... then so be it.
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unnecessary? there was still time on the clock..i am a spurs faithful and have seen plenty of basketball miracles and mishaps (cough .04) ...foul was necessary yes...excessive overeaction by nash yes... i thought horry hipchecked him? is this not in the play rules?
Do you also agree that Raja Bell giving Oberto the Forearm shiver was wrong? He practically leaped into his chest?
Or was this just a good play?
Ok here is my argument. I think the Dirty mantra is ridiculous. It is something that the Media has played up to get the whole NBA world involved in this series. I do kind of like it though, as i think its making for a very exciting series. I think the spurs are playing their style of basketball though, and this is hard nosed, in your face, bump you and bruise you basketball. We are playing against the softest team in the league, who doesnt like to be slowed down with tough (albeit sometimes dodgy) defense.
What no one is saying though, is this is happening on both sides of the court, this is how the playoffs are played. Hard fouls, lots of "selling" of said hard fouls, lots of emotions, etc. I just think the spurs are a lot better at it, since most of our team is from teh old school when this WAS the style of basketball.
I dont think it deserves apologies, i dont think we should whine and cry about every foul on either side of the court. I think we should see it for what it is, and realise our team is doing what they know how to do best.
I hope to see the Spurs go on to win this series, and go to an even more hard nosed series. Spurs v Jazz will be fantastic. I dont forsee a boatload of 15 year old 1st year NBA fans crying and disecting every single movement in that series. I bet it will look a whole lot cleaner for that reason.
I don't want the spurs to throw out everything they've built (class) over the years. But As I see it. They've handled this series with more class than the other team. They haven't pouted,cried, and whined (even though they've had the shorter end) and because they haven't done that they are now the DIRTY TEAM. A basketball fan should see the difference. If having class = dirty in their minds so be it...CHAMPIONSHIPS are not for the WEAK!
Mad Dog-It was a very smart play by Horry...The guy never ceases to amaze me.....
Last edited by Sportcamper; 05-15-2007 at 12:51 PM. Reason: ...
OK, Soul and Miss, I see your points. I agree the Spurs are not "dirty." I don't think the Suns are dirty either - I think both teams really want to advance, and are willing to do what it takes to get there.
Game 5 should be a great game, I hope I can actually enjoy it, and not get wrapped so much into the foul calls and politics.
It's just part of the game plan. "Hurt Steve Nash". Violence, black on white.
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