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    Everybody whines.

    Quit whining about whining.

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    To be fair every team has players that whine about foul calls. Is not just the Spurs but a league wide problem. Some players react like they never commit fouls.

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    Spurs have whined a LOT for years. Calling Suns whiners is ridiculous when you look at what Bowen even does.
    And the Suns don't argue for calls and complain to officials and express disbelief about calls?

    For crissakes, the biggest crybaby in the building on any given night is D'Antoni!! I'm willing to bet that his epic display in Game 1 will be unrivaled during these playoffs.

    Look, I don't like the Spurs' emotional outbursts at officials, but it's not as if they are alone in that effort. And at least it never comes out in anything the Spurs say after games. I'm not sure that the same can be said for Coach D'Antoni.

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    The only thing funnier than a Suns fan saying the Spurs are whiners is Randy Galloway saying the Spurs are thugs. Surely neither actually believes it.

    Ronmex, the Suns were whining about the Spurs from the opening tip, players, coaches, and fans. They've now gotten the entire world wrapped up in it. This is pussification on a historical scale, and you know it.

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    The whining should be about the difficulty in pretending that this is a legitimate series. The real hose job took place off the court.

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    Please explain why players shouldn't be subject to the written rules, mavfan.

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    The whining should be about the difficulty in pretending that this is a legitimate series. The real hose job took place off the court.
    Agreed. The Horry suspension was way out of line. It's good to see Texas fans coming together on this.

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    I'm only echoing the sentiments of 95% of NBA fans across the country. Written rules are broken all the time, and with intelligence they're altered to reflect what is fair and just.

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    I'm only echoing the sentiments of 95% of NBA fans across the country. Written rules are broken all the time, and with intelligence they're altered to reflect what is fair and just.
    So players shouldn't be subjected to written rules when fans feel like it.

    Nice logic.

    BTW - this rule had already been altered once to reflect what's fair and just, but they still enforced it in the meantime.

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    Agreed. The Horry suspension was way out of line. It's good to see Texas fans coming together on this.

    Obvious but hilarious.

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    I'm only echoing the sentiments of 95% of NBA fans across the country. Written rules are broken all the time, and with intelligence they're altered to reflect what is fair and just.
    Name one time that this rule has been broken. Explain what is fair about letting one team break the rules.

    I applaud you for admitting that you are just "echoing", though we already knew you were just repeating what you heard someone else say without thinking about it.

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    I was refering to rules in general.

    Change "someone" to "everyone". More appropriate.

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    So players shouldn't be subjected to written rules when fans feel like it.

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    I think what is really being missed in all this is the fact that Diaw, a Frenchman, ran TOWARDS a fight. I'm suprised that everyone on the court didn't just stop what they were doing a stare at him in shock.

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    I've lived in Dallas for a while now, and nobody but the idiotic take Randy Galloway seriously anymore. It doesn't matter what sport he's talking about, he basically comes up with wild ass statements to rile up readers and listeners. His shtick is that of the country boy with the western drawl who calls it as he sees it... the only problem is that he rarely ever sees anything. He's a dinosaur and he's in the business of stirring people's emotions no matter what he has to say. This and any other article written by Galloway isn't worthy of being posted and discussed here or anywhere.

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    I know how you guys feel. Don't loosen your grip on that rule book.

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    I know how you guys feel. Don't loosen your grip on that rule book.
    I'm all for changing the rules at the appropriate time, though I have yet to hear any workable amendment to the bench rule. You are for selective enforcement of written rules that have existed for a decade determined by perceived fan opinion on the internets.

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    I was refering to rules in general.

    Change "someone" to "everyone". More appropriate.
    Right. You don't agree with the rules when your team doesn't win. You are a Mavericks fan, right?

    Sorry: You repeat things you hear "everyone" say without thinking. Didn't mean to besmirch your reputation.

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    I'm only echoing the sentiments of 95% of NBA fans across the country. Written rules are broken all the time, and with intelligence they're altered to reflect what is fair and just.
    Stop whining already. Game 5 is over. It's done. It's in the past. Good lord.

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    Too late to alter this PR disaster. When I said "I feel for you guys", I meant it.

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    I've said it in other threads, but I find it remarkable that fans who think that David Stern has too much power are now willing to give him complete discretion to decide when or if a MANDATORY penalty will be enforced.

    I laugh at the comparisons that are made for the purpose of demonstrating inequity here. But, but Baron Davis wasn't suspended. True -- but the violation that Davis committed didn't compel a suspension; it allowed for one, but it didn't make it mandatory. Same is true of Jason Richardson's foul in Game 4 of the GST/UTH series. Even Horry's foul on Nash didn't require a suspension. The difference, of course, is that the rule that Stoudemire and Diaw broke -- and very clearly broke -- is one that doesn't allow for any discretion in sentencing. Break that rule and you get one game. There's a reason (as even Mark Cuban has noted) that teams are keenly aware of the rule and preach the importance of maintaining poise when altercations arise. It's really a pretty simple idea -- don't break the rule and you won't get suspended.

    If there's an inequity, it's in the way the rule is written. Under no cir stances is the inequity based on the way that the rule is applied.

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    Written rules are broken all the time.
    Yeah, the Suns should have been really thankful that the NBA violated the Magic Johnson rule to allow Steve Nash to score 5 points with blood pouring down his face. Give them an inch...

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    Too late to alter this PR disaster.
    Your solution was ignoring the rules based on fan opinion of a rule of which they had been completely ignorant for a decade.
    When I said "I feel for you guys", I meant it.
    Nah, you're just bitter about the Mavs being out of the playoffs and not being able to blame the refs for it. So you find some other series to project your feelings onto.

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    I've said it in other threads, but I find it remarkable that fans who think that David Stern has too much power are now willing to give him complete discretion to decide when or if a MANDATORY penalty will be enforced.

    I laugh at the comparisons that are made for the purpose of demonstrating inequity here. But, but Baron Davis wasn't suspended. True -- but the violation that Davis committed didn't compel a suspension; it allowed for one, but it didn't make it mandatory. Same is true of Jason Richardson's foul in Game 4 of the GST/UTH series. Even Horry's foul on Nash didn't require a suspension. The difference, of course, is that the rule that Stoudemire and Diaw broke -- and very clearly broke -- is one that doesn't allow for any discretion in sentencing. Break that rule and you get one game. There's a reason (as even Mark Cuban has noted) that teams are keenly aware of the rule and preach the importance of maintaining poise when altercations arise. It's really a pretty simple idea -- don't break the rule and you won't get suspended.

    If there's an inequity, it's in the way the rule is written. Under no cir stances is the inequity based on the way that the rule is applied.
    If there's an inequity, it's the fact that Horry was unfairly suspended two games just to make the Diaw and Stoudemire suspensions easier to swallow. Horry was punished because of the reaction to his foul, not because of the foul itself. Yet somehow the "whiny" Spurs haven't begun a Suns/Mavericks style media campaign to give themselves excuses for losing.

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    Nah, you're just bitter about the Mavs being out of the playoffs and not being able to blame the refs for it. So you find some other series to project your feelings onto.
    The funniest part is trying to act impartial and objective about it.

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