What's so frustrating for the average fans

[peskypesky]

So...the NBA enforcing a rule is cheating?

Exactly. How is "enforcing rules" now considered cheating? Wouldn't cheating be to selectively enforce rules? Applying them to some teams and not others?

the Suns and their pussy fans.

[ATXSPUR]

adios amigo!!!

And guess what??

We are gonna cheat our way all the way to our fourth trophy!!!!!!!!

[exstatic]

Actually, the deciding factor in this series was the inability of either Nash Or Stoudemire to guard their positions. The cross matches necessitated playing Thomas heavy minutes, and he's like a sea anchor on your offense.

[Shelly]

What's so frustrating for the average fans is that you guys didn't need to cheat to beat the Suns, but you cheated anyway. It would have been harder as we might have won game 5 and game 7 would have to decide it. But with the way your team dominated the clueless coach D'Antoni's from game 4 on, with every offensive move except maybe the power moves by Amare figured out, you should have won the series in 7 with fair means. But no, some players on your team wouldn't want it that way!

That's why your championship will be again tainted, astericed. I feel sorry for the good guys on the team, Duncan, Parker and Finley, and to some extent Manu who is not the dirty player Amare blamed him for.

I would have rooted for the Spurs for the rest of the playoffs, but now I'm so pissed with the NBA, I won't watch any game this season any more.

*sniff* That was beautiful and brought a tear to my eye. I think I will go listen to some Morrisey now.

[exstatic]

*sniff* That was beautiful and brought a tear to my eye. I think I will go listen to some Morrisey now.

I was thinking about maybe The Cure or Nirvana, myself.

[Shelly]

I was thinking about maybe The Cure or Nirvana, myself.

I was gonna throw in some EMO music, but I don't think I've ever listened to any

[cornbread]

Cheer up buttercup. The sun will come out tomorrow and the Suns will rise again. Unfortunately, if they continue to pride themselves on "Controlled Chaos" then they'll keep on being pretenders and you'll continue to throw pity-parties for yourself on Spurstalk.

[bigfundamental21]

Let's review the series.


Game 1: Spurs "steal" one and take away home court advantage. Parker and Nash collide, Nash splits open his nose -- totally accidental. There's no complaints yet about "dirty" play, but many speculate Suns would've won had they been able to stop Nash's bleeding (mostly Suns fans).

Game 2: Spurs lay an egg and Suns win in a blowout. Strangely, Amare goes on his rant about Bruce kicking him (replays show Bruce stepping on back of Amare's shoe). Amare goes on to call Manu dirty too.

Game 3: Spurs come out with a little bit of a chip on thier sholder. This is the game where Bruce "kneed" Nash in the balls. Duncan owned the Suns in this game, to the tune of 33 pts, 19 rebounds. Suns fans begin their slow burn.

Game 4: Spurs dominate this entire game, but choke at the end, surrendering a lead they had held through 3½ quarters. In the last seconds of the game, Robert Horry flagrantly fouls Nash into the scorer's table, ....you know the rest.

Game 5: Suns dominate this entire game, but choke at the end. Bruce hits clutch 3 in the end and Suns never recover. This is one of the better games the Suns played, despite not having their "Superstars" Amare and Diaw.

Game 6: Probably the best game of the series. Duncan was a monster with 9 blocks. Once again, Manu Ginobili sends the Suns fishing.



If the Spurs were to play the Suns in another 7 games series, the Spurs will still win. Like Jeff Van Gundy said, the Spurs are just a little bit better.


EDIT> By the way, the original post mentioned "average fans". Yes, perhaps to casual fans that don't understand basketball, it may appear that the Suns are soft and the Spurs are big meanies for playing defense and not allowing them to shoot wide open j's.

Enough said.

[zrinkill]

I think what's so frustrating for the fans of teams without any championship les is that the Spurs have three. Keep on whining, it's music to Spurs fans' ears.

[smeagol]

Do Suns Fans understand the meaning of the word "cheat"?

Given the way they have used it in the context of the Horry-Amare-Diaw incident, I'd say no.

[spursaretheone]

You know what is amazing. They call the Spurs cheaters but what exactly did they do to cheat. Robert Horry checked Nash and Nash flopped to sell it. It was up to the assistant coaches of Phoenix to keep the players on the bench. It's also up to the players to keep themselves on the bench during an altercation. The NBA made the rule not the spurs. Everyone makes it sound like Popovich made the rule right after he saw amare step onto the court. By the way the suns did some cheating of their own and not just in game 5. Take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoAXg2pOG5s

[ChumpDumper]

What's so frustrating for the average fans is that they are ignorant of NBA rules and would prefer to ruin the integrity of the game to accomodate a star player.

[Obstructed_View]

Do Suns Fans understand the meaning of the word "cheat"?

Given the way they have used it in the context of the Horry-Amare-Diaw incident, I'd say no.

You mean that a "cheater" is one who doesn't let them get away with breaking the rules? They understand just fine and know they are being dishonest. I've asked the question straight up to probably twenty different Suns fans, and every single one of them has ducked the question, changed the subject, or just stopped posting in the thread.

[1SUNSFAN]

*tainted

[Obstructed_View]

What's so frustrating for the average fans is that they are ignorant of NBA rules and would prefer to ruin the integrity of the game to accomodate a star player.

I disagree that they are ignorant. I submit that they are willfully pushing to do something they understand to be wrong just to give their team an advantage, and are using the popularity of the fast break offense to try to sell the case to people who are actually ignorant.

[Obstructed_View]

In fact, they are so delusional, they'd rather try to put a black mark on someone else's win than put any responisibility for the loss on their own team. The true mark of a loser.

[ChumpDumper]

I doubt the average fan even bothered to find out what the rule says or why it exists. I do agree that those who have some knowledge openly lie about it though.

[Obstructed_View]

Anybody with a computer that can log onto an NBA message board should be able to go to NBA.com and look at the rules or to Google the history of the NBA to see how many times that rule has been applied in exactly the same way. I agree and submit that every single person that's been here has access to the correct information and is therefore lying.

Not that it's a surprise that someone who wants to cheat would have a problem lying about it.

[judaspriestess]

Whats so frustrating to the intelligent fans is that your team SHOULD HAVE WON GAME ONE. We wouldn't be having this discussion now would we. It was a seven game series not a one game series.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

http://myespn.go.com/profile/truehoo...=24&entryId=89

UPDATE: Temper your urge to declare the playoffs over, the Western Conference Finals boring, or the NBA a joke. I know you may have this or that beef with this or that league official. But it's about the players. They are the ones killing themselves. The players who are left standing -- the San Antonio Spurs and Utah Jazz -- have worked like dogs to get this far, and play amazing basketball. They would appreciate your respect. (And don't tell me it's all about the money. The players who do it just for the money don't typically make it this far, and players barely get paid extra for all the work of the playoffs.) For years, these players have been eating right, getting stronger, learning to trust teammates, refining plays, perfecting their release, becoming a team, doing anything imaginable to make themselves the best teams in the NBA -- just to get here and enjoy the respect of people like you and me. You insult their effort if you do anything but celebrate it. This is going to be a fantastic series between two teams that very much deserve to be here.

Read it, learn it, and live with it !

[mrsmaalox]

I would have rooted for the Spurs for the rest of the playoffs, but now I'm so pissed with the NBA, I won't watch any game this season any more. [/QUOTE]
See ya Wouldn't wanna be ya!!!!!!!!!!!

[Obstructed_View]

You know, the last thing I want after what's transpired over the last week is for Suns fans to be rooting for my team. Please don't root for the Cowboys or the Stars either, thanks.

[sabar]

What's so frustrating to the real fans is putting up with the average fans.

[spurschick]

That's why your championship will be again tainted.

Yep.

We'll be enjoying tainted champagne while tainted confetti falls on our heads.

We'll be basking in the glow of our tainted fourth trophy as it is is carried down our tainted River Parade.

We'll be cheering during our tainted Dome Celebration.

We'll well with pride as we hoist our tainted banner and watch our players get their tainted rings next fall.

[dknights411]

where you crying when you typed that? No Spur cheated you, your superstar had a momentary lapse in judgment and let his team, his organization and his fans down. Sorry.

Quoted for truth. Don't blame the Spurs for Amare's mistake.