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"Shaq is out too because Orlando will win that division."
Totally impossible BS. Orlando is 12 GB of Miami with only 25 games left. ORL is even behind Wiz, in the SE div. I bet ORL has a real fight just to make the playoffs.
You guys make good points about Nash, but he can only have the kind of impact he has on a team with the type or orientation that Phoenix has. Put Duncan on just about any team in the NBA, and he would have a huge impact on the game.
"Shaq is out too because Orlando will win that division."
Totally impossible BS. Orlando is 12 GB of Miami with only 25 games left. ORL is even behind Wiz, in the SE div. I bet ORL has a real fight just to make the playoffs.
Last edited by boutons; 03-05-2005 at 06:06 PM.
Don't count on it.
Nothing standing out much from JO.
Plus, we all still remember the November incident
Steve Nash is the only "elite" player I've ever seen who routinely just completely QUITS playing defense after you make a first move on him.
That being said, the media has already decided he's the MVP. The only thing that will keep it from happening now is if he goes into another late-season physical breakdown. Which there's still a damn good chance of happening.
Larry Bird was a bad defender? Huh??????
Nash is playing with 2 other all-stars and 2 other GREAT players in Q. Rich and Joe Johnson. Ironically, if you put J. Kidd in the same position, he would be the MVP.
The Suns didn't magically get better. Remember that tough Suns team in 02-03? Joe Johnson got better. Amare got better. They added Q. Rich.
And they switch a shooting PG for a passing PG. There is more to this equation than a losing streak when the Suns were without Nash.
Duncan is better than any player on the Suns team. Duncan's team has a better record. Duncan is the MVP.
ooo????
What are those same identicle player's stats when Nash is out of the lineup????
Look it up, numbnuts.
Barkley had a good point last night:
The Lakers got FOUR players for Shaq, and they suck. Meanwhile the Heat go from conference also-rans to prohibitive favorites in the East.
Dallas got nothing in return when Nash left, and is still going strong.
And the Suns did the same in the West. And unlike the Heat, they were a Lottery team last year.Meanwhile the Heat go from conference also-rans to prohibitive favorites in the East.
Yeah, but did you miss the part about what happened to their former teams?
And, unlike the Heat, they gave up nothing to get Nash. If the Suns had to lose, say, Joe Johnson and Barbosa to get Nash, would we be talking about him as MVP?
Last edited by ShoogarBear; 03-11-2005 at 09:14 PM.
I think the team that ends up with the best record should have their star as mvp; whether it be the suns, spurs, or heat. I think now the definite top three are Nash Duncan O'nealooo????
What are those same identicle player's stats when Nash is out of the lineup????
Look it up, numbnuts.
The Mavs added Jerry Stackhouse, Erick Dampier and some very capable post role players, while getting rid of Antoine Walker, which alone was an improvement. Factor in the improvement of young players like Marquis Daniels and Josh Howard, and it's not surprising that they've maintained their Playoff status.Yeah, but did you miss the part about what happened to their former teams?
I've never been a fan of judging an MVP by what their previous and current teams are doing compared to last year anyway. I prefer to look at what the player's team is doing this year. Because players can change from year to year also. Perhaps Nash is a better fit in Phoenix than he was in Dallas, or maybe he simply got better... I wouldn't punish him for that. MVP isn't about picking the one player who could play for any team and lead them to Championship level, it's about choosing the player who, on his current team, is most responsible for leading them to a Championship level. Nash is the impetus of the most dangerous offense in the NBA, and on one of the best teams in the NBA. He has to be in the MVP discussion.
Well, it is a two horse race betw Shaq and Nash.
Suns gave up Marbury and Hardaway to get Nash. Without the trade last January signing Nash would not have been possible.
The Suns had to give up a lot of salary including the #7 pick last year to get Nash and Q.
Suns have the 3rd best turnaround in league history right now. Much more improvement than Miami has shown.
Last edited by SirChaz; 04-18-2005 at 04:37 PM.
Allen Iverson IS the MVP.
I don't care who gets the award, AI is the true MVP.
Averaging close to 31 ppg, top 5 in assists and top 5 in steals, AI deserves it.
Don't forget he's the runaway league leader in turnovers.
Oh everyone, I just heard that ESPN has released a report that Nash is the MVP
Here you go
Source : CLICKY!
Sources: Suns' Nash tops Shaq as NBA's Most Valuable Player
By Chris Perkins
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 06, 2005
MIAMI — Heat center Shaquille O'Neal and his bruised thighs returned to
practice Friday, boosting hopes that he will be game-ready when Miami opens the second round of the playoffs.
But the injury report wasn't the only news concerning O'Neal.
ESPN.com reported that Phoenix guard Steve Nash will be named the Most Valuable Player when the award is announced Sunday. The Web site said that Nash edged O'Neal in the voting by NBA media.
If the report is accurate, it might be bad news for update if
Washington wins Miami's second-round playoff opponent.
"Oooh, that would be scary," center Alonzo Mourning said of the prospect of O'Neal failing to win the award. "If he doesn't win it he's going to be (upset), and I wouldn't want to play against him (upset)."
O'Neal, who hasn't practiced much the past three weeks because of illness or injury, didn't speak with reporters Friday. But he seemed to be getting around as well as he has since sustaining a right thigh bruise April 17 against Indiana and a left thigh bruise a week later against New Jersey.
"He went at it hard and good and looked strong, so it was good to have him back out there," coach Stan Van Gundy said Friday.
Miami's second-round opponent might disagree.
O'Neal won only one MVP award in his previous 12 seasons. That was in 1999-2000 with the Los Angeles Lakers, when he averaged 29.7 points, 13.6 rebounds and 3.03 blocked shots.
This season, O'Neal averaged 22.9 points (12th in the league), 10.4 rebounds (sixth) and 2.34 blocks (sixth). His career-best 60.1 field-goal percentage led the league, but he shot a career-worst 46.1 percent on free throws.
Nash, acquired as a free agent from Dallas during the off-season, helped Phoenix win 62 games after winning just 29 a year ago, a 33-game improvement. The Heat improved by 17 games in its first season with O'Neal, who came in a trade with the Lakers. Miami had 42 victories last season and 59 this season, Nash averaged 15.5 points (40th) and 11.5 assists (first) while shooting 50.2 percent (tied for 20th) from the
field and 88.7 percent (sixth) on free throws.
Nash had two other All-Stars on his team, center Amare Stoudemire and forward Shawn Marion, while O'Neal had one, guard Dwyane Wade.
Van Gundy, who said he would be disappointed if O'Neal didn't win the award, restated his case Friday.
"The difference between (Nash) and Shaq is Dallas got better this year," Van Gundy said of the Mavericks, who improved from 52 victories last season to 58 this season. "Steve Nash left and Dallas got better.
The Lakers did not get better. There's nobody out there saying, 'I like this Lakers team better.'
"I'm certainly a great admirer of Steve Nash and I'm taking nothing away from him. Yeah, the Suns have been great, but so have the Dallas Mavericks, and the Lakers weren't. So to me . . . it's a clear-cut choice."
damn it... i hate nash!!!
dammit...i hate YOU
walking down memory lane
Epic bump.
sons why not ... give it to undeserving whitey again.
5 year bump, that's gotta be a record.
Nash getting a 3rd MVP is very unlikely but possible I suppose.
Tacker has the flux capacitor, lord have mercy on us all!
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