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    well.. in fairness to phil.. that style of coaching made him win all those championships.
    Actually, picking two jobs with the players already in place, and teams that had already been to the conference finals made him win all those championships. We're now seeing him "coach" for the first time, and frankly, he's been exposed.

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    Accountability.

    Apparently it doesn't mean much, but in a pro franchise it starts at the top and that is Carver and D'Asani. These guys never own up, it's always someone else's fault when PHO loses. You would think that with all the blown chances over the years they would learn to suck it up and say "it's on me" by now.

    Look at AJ in Dallas. When the Mavs lost to GS he took full blame for the loss even tho it was primarily MIA Dork who was at fault.

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    Accountability.

    Apparently it doesn't mean much, but in a pro franchise it starts at the top and that is Carver and D'Asani. These guys never own up, it's always someone else's fault when PHO loses. You would think that with all the blown chances over the years they would learn to suck it up and say "it's on me" by now.

    Look at AJ in Dallas. When the Mavs lost to GS he took full blame for the loss even tho it was primarily MIA Dork who was at fault.
    I completly agree.
    one of the reasons why, as much as it may be the 'in' thing because he coaches the Mavs, I just can't hate on AJ. I really respect him.

    And thats where my dissapointment in the Suns as an NBA fan comes in. There is no accountability over there. And no humility. They never "just lost" or will have to "work harder". nope, it;s never thier fault at all.. it;s luck, or they are "just as good" but the damn hand of the basketball gods is against them.

    erg. Just nut up and accept that there is a flaw in your system, acceptance is the 1st step to recovery.

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    Actually, picking two jobs with the players already in place, and teams that had already been to the conference finals made him win all those championships. We're now seeing him "coach" for the first time, and frankly, he's been exposed.
    I agree with this!

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    Amare Stoudemire’s Spurs Comments
    A lot was written recently regarding Amare's comments about the Spurs being a dirty team. Now, I don't know what his reasoning was behind those comments without talking to him but I do know that some guys say things as a personal motivator. When I was playing, I never said anything about the other team, pro or con, because I didn’t care what they did. That was Red’s philosophy as well. I knew what I was going to do. The only time I would talk about the other team, if at all, was in our locker room to my teammates.

    by Bill Russell Advice for Amare

    We need to find a player on the Jazz that we can chant DIRTY DIRTY too when he is at the free throw line.....hahahah

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    "Let's go men. Hustle out there. Energy, energy, we need more energy."

    What an assclown.


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    Obiwan nailed it.

    I think between D'Antoni and Karl. . . I dislike Karl more. Karl actively throws players under the bus for Karl's mistakes. At least for all his whining and complaining and en lement, D'Antoni supports his team.

    However, this article is dillusional. I don't know that I would fire D'Antoni yet. I'd give him one more season to prove himself and allow him to utilize his bench and seehow it goes. He showed some willingness to improve his defense by bringing in some defensive players (but they really need to learn some team D, but I guess that would ruin their style). Give him the chance. But seriously, D'Antoni is one of the biggest things wrong with the team.

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    Also, Pop was right. Amare is young. And that youth is the thing causing him to throw temper tantrums. He needs to grow up.

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    The biggest problem D'Antoni has is poise.

    There are moments in every game, every series when things are going to turn against you. Handling those moments without coming apart mentally is what poise is all about. In this Spurs-Suns series, it seemed that every time the Suns experienced those difficulties, they ed in the media or pitched a fit on the sidelines.

    It's all very well and good to feel wronged, but expending energy on it is destructive.

    D'Antoni deserves another year - he's got a great system for that personnel - but if I was the owner, I would make it clear that our team needs to demonstrate greater mental toughness. Losing in the playoffs is acceptable; defeating yourself in the process is not.

    Then again, if I was the Phoenix owner, I'd have an ass where my head is.

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    B.S. !

    If i am a Suns season ticket holder i would be livid again and be asking for a new coach, specifically the recently fired Houston coach Jeff Van Gundy

    The Suns have under achieved now 3 straight years. How many more tries does "3firstnames" get? They have had the best overall talent of anyone in the league 1-6 and have yet to even make it to the Finals.

    Look at their lineup:
    2 of the top 5 players
    Another All Star
    6th man
    A top defensive player
    2 time MVP

    I mean what more do you need????

    2 things:

    1. A good coach
    2. 3 players off your bench that can play. And they only have 1 or 2.

    He did not develop his bench and he does not coach defense.

    FIRE HIM! or don't and we all will love it because we know they can't go all the way!

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    How many chances did Kurt Rambis get? How many chances has D'Antoni had? And Rambis had the better mustache.

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    I sincerely believe if D'Antoni would have actually coached in the last few minutes of Game 1, rather than and cry and moan about whatever it is that was going on other than the game at hand, they would have pulled it off.


    His team was lost when nash went down, and d'antoni was too busy crying, no one knew where to go or what to do.


    His crying seeps into his team and into its ownership. He breeds a looser mentality in phoenix. Never own a loss or a failure, its always the pitty party.

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    "The criticism would bother me only if guys in the dressing room started to do it," D'Antoni said. "If there was any kind of resistance from them over the way we play, then I need to go away. But right now, the players love it, it's a great product and we win a lot of games."
    There you have it in a nuts : a loser's complacency. Both coach and players are happy being losers, they lack a championship mentality.
    Look at the shameful way they whine and make excuses. Winners and champions take control of their own destinies, they don't look for sympathy with victim antics.

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    At this stage, I prefer to let Phoenix wade in their own little puddle of .

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    do they fire the coach?
    No

    do they trade nash and give up and get a younger point and get someone for nash?
    No


    do they trade marion?
    Probably

    do they trade amare?
    No

    do they keep everyone pay the tax and play the rookies?
    No, this team as currently cons uted will never beat Duncan's Spurs. They would have to hope that somebody else knocks off the Spurs. Only the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and Dirk's Mavs have done that. One of those teams don't exist anymore. Like the Mavs, the Suns need to shake things up, but they don't need to go nuclear and blow the whole thing up.

    they have got to to play a 10 man rotation in oct-jan
    Agreed.

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    Too stubborn. Doesn't use his bench. Doesn't make in-game adjustments. Doesn't develop players. And then there's the system, a fast-break brand of small ball that is cherished when it works and scorned when it doesn't.

    D'Antoni hears it all, and he hears it all the time. And guess what? He still won't budge. I admire that.

    "The criticism would bother me only if guys in the dressing room started to do it," D'Antoni said. "If there was any kind of resistance from them over the way we play, then I need to go away. But right now, the players love it, it's a great product and we win a lot of games."
    This is very telling. Apparently, D'Antoni's standard of excellence for coaching is whether your players love your system and whether you win "a lot of games". Well, it seems he has both. Only one thing missing: a trip to the Finals and a shot at the trophy. He hasn't really even come close to that. Not even a game 7 in the WCF.

    A good coach would be a leader, not a pleaser. He'd show toughness, not introspective whininess. He wouldn't call out his team for blame in the media (as he did after game 1).

    Another quote from D'Antoni is to the effect that his team has better talent than the Spurs. Maybe so. How does that reflect on the coach?

    I think the Suns' failures are, exactly, all about the coaching.

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    Accountability.

    Apparently it doesn't mean much, but in a pro franchise it starts at the top and that is Carver and D'Asani. These guys never own up, it's always someone else's fault when PHO loses. You would think that with all the blown chances over the years they would learn to suck it up and say "it's on me" by now.

    Look at AJ in Dallas. When the Mavs lost to GS he took full blame for the loss even tho it was primarily MIA Dork who was at fault.

    Huge 2nd.

    From Amare, Marion, and D'antoni's public comments of being "better" than the Spurs, they moreover blamed the suspensions and referees.

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    On a team with Steve Nash and that much talent around him, a blind squirrel could coach the Suns and win 55 games.

    D'Antoni is a fraud, and is the biggest obstacle between the Suns and a championship.

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    Also, Pop was right. Amare is young. And that youth is the thing causing him to throw temper tantrums. He needs to grow up.
    Tony Parker wasn't throwing temper tantrums at 23 years of age. He was winning a second championship.

    Amare seems to be developmentally retarted. He has the maturity of an 11- or 12-year-old.

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    On a team with Steve Nash and that much talent around him, a blind squirrel could coach the Suns and win 55 games.

    D'Antoni is a fraud, and is the biggest obstacle between the Suns and a championship.

    True. And he has also given his players a sense that they are EN LED to win. I wonder how much of D'Antoni's "philosophy" has rubbed off on Amare. Had Amare played for Pop, I wonder how much different his at ude would be.

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    But right now, the players love it, it's a great product and we win a lot of games."
    Great product and they win a lot of games. If that's his measure of success, then keep running small ball, run-and-gun. Screw defense, it's boring. Way to go Mike, you're a huge success. Enjoy the product, and enjoy winning those regular season games. Just don't cry like babies when it doesn't win a championship.

    I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again: "There's a reason the cheetah isn't the king of the jungle."

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    Tony Parker wasn't throwing temper tantrums at 23 years of age. He was winning a second championship.

    Amare seems to be developmentally retarted. He has the maturity of an 11- or 12-year-old.
    then again Tony had the chance to mature in Timmy's lockeroom, in DRob's lockeroom.
    I don;t see Nash exuding that kind of leadership and maturity. On the court yes, he;s the leader... but otherwise he seems ot come off as a buddy-buddy teamate kinda guy.

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    On a team with Steve Nash and that much talent around him, a blind squirrel could coach the Suns and win 55 games.

    D'Antoni is a fraud, and is the biggest obstacle between the Suns and a championship.
    Anybody on this board could coach that team to 55 wins. If Pop or Riley or Brown or Avery or Van Gundy had that team for 2 years they would at least 1 le.

    The fans in Phx are stupid for putting up with it. But hey thats okay by me. The longer they keep 3firstnames the older Steve Cash gets and the more their window closes!

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    Phoenix isn't a very sports knowledgeable city. That's why Bill Bidwill can put out a football team year after year and the people there vote to give him a new stadium instead of saying "get the out, we'll take an expansion team." That's why the Diamondbacks can give up Randy Johnson when he's still a top pitcher, but bring him back when he's a shadow of himself because of "name value," since a name valueless team doesn't sell out. And that's why when the Suns win 60 regular season games but don't make the Finals, they'll excuse D'Antoni.

    D'Antoni talking about how great "the product" is, that's just hilarious. He talks about basketball like it's a television show, and that's Phoenix's problem. Everyone there wants a Michael Bay blow-'em-up movie but they also want Oscars. It doesn't work that way. Phoenix's fans and the team itself confuse defense with being boring. It's moronic.

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    No, this team as currently cons uted will never beat Duncan's Spurs. They would have to hope that somebody else knocks off the Spurs. Only the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and Dirk's Mavs have done that. One of those teams don't exist anymore. Like the Mavs, the Suns need to shake things up, but they don't need to go nuclear and blow the whole thing up.


    Wrong... neither of those teams exist anymore...
    The Mavs still have Dirk, but they aren't "Dirk's Mavs".

    He lost that team.

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