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The Suns finally have a legit big man now. That's why the league has to cheat to keep the Suns from the championship.
What I find interesting is Mike wondering how is it that us Spurs fans can't sympathize with what they are feeling, and all the while conveniently leaving out the fact Suns fans have been insulting the Spurs ever since Horry went bye-bye. Maybe thats the reason us Spurs fans don't feel like sympathising with someone that is insulting us in the first place. If you people would have just taken the ruling and complained about your boneheaded players, or David Stern's stuborness to bend the rules in your favor, then perhaps we would have agreed...
The Suns finally have a legit big man now. That's why the league has to cheat to keep the Suns from the championship.
Yes its true some suns fans are es, some arent. Its like that will all teams. I just dont like your Coach and Amare, Marion. I have nothing against you guys, you root for your team and yeah we are all biased and think we get screwed and blah blah. We were singing that tune last year against Dallas, well at least I was. Although controversial at times Bowen is a great defender and doesnt play "dirty". The same crap can be said about Raja Bell. Manu flops yes...but everyteam has a flopper....you guys have Nash. Horry fouled nash somewhat hard, but for nash to cry on the ground like someone shot him, come on. It was a rough series on both sides. Yes your coach es all the time, you guys are just lucky that he didnt get T's all day. I would say if you want to blame anyone on losing I can tell you who to blame.... AMARE!! He is a great player as far as talent goes, but isnt very bright. He made stupid fouls at the wrong times. He broke a BIG rule in the NBA by leaving the bench. He was frustrated and called the spurs "DIRTY" which in my opinion backfired. He didnt even have the class and balls to show good sportsmanship at the end when you just walked off. If you guys want to get to the Finals next year he needs to shape up. Do I think you guys have a championship caliber team........... YEAH, but some things need to change with Amare. Nash and Barbosa can't do it alone while Amare sits on the bench in foul trouble pondering what idiotic thing he can say to justify his stupid ass on court decisions. As far as the draft thing.....come one seriously, do you really think it was rigged just to screw you guys?
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Well, I'm not sure how you can approve of what Horry did, but I know you are a Spurs fan, so maybe I'd be the same way. I dunno.
But you have to see our side of it...of course we're going to be hating on Horry after that...Nash is our guy, our MVP, we LOVE him, and to see him hit like that sucked.
Still, we'd have been over it a minute later when we won if we hadn't all been thinking that Amare and Boris were getting suspended over that.
No one would be hating on Horry as much, that's for sure.
And while it's not his fault, he made the hard foul which caused the entire situation. And I promise that ANY of you on a basketball team and your #1 player gets hard fouled like that, would have a hard time restraining themselves.
It's the playoffs...it's emotional, and they got suspended for acting like any human being instinctively would.
My only problem with the rule is this: When the playoffs start, things change. They allow players to be a bit more physical, and get away with more. You can yell at the refs and they wont throw you a technical as quickly as they would in the regular season. They do that because they know players are under more pressure, there is more emotion.
But when it comes to this one rule, there is absolutely no leeway. Nothing to say "Well, yeah, but look at how their leader got body slammed...it's the playoffs, cut them slack, they didn't do anything anyways."
That's why it cuts deep for me.
Following a rule is cheating? Ok.The Suns finally have a legit big man now. That's why the league has to cheat to keep the Suns from the championship.
The rule sucks and needs to be changed but is a rule nonetheless.
I don't like it when an opposing fan (like many of the Suns and Mavs fans who post here) generalizes about the entire Spurs fanbase so I won't do it here. We have had some really y Suns fans here but at the same time some good ones too. The y ones I could care less about but I understand the passion and anger of the good Suns fans. This board blows up after a Spurs loss, especially a playoff loss...and after the WCSF last year? Oy...it was crazy. If the situation was reversed, a lot of Spurs fans would be just as angry.
We know it wasn't riggedIf it was, I think the NBA would rather see a more run and gun, fun to watch offense get further.
Heck, you guys didn't even sell out your first game in this series...or so I heard...if you guys aren't pumped to come watch...
No, it wasn't rigged at all.
I would agree with that but I don't think they should change it just for the playoffs....I think it needs to be rewritten permanently.My only problem with the rule is this: When the playoffs start, things change. They allow players to be a bit more physical, and get away with more. You can yell at the refs and they wont throw you a technical as quickly as they would in the regular season. They do that because they know players are under more pressure, there is more emotion.
But when it comes to this one rule, there is absolutely no leeway. Nothing to say "Well, yeah, but look at how their leader got body slammed...it's the playoffs, cut them slack, they didn't do anything anyways."
That's why it cuts deep for me.
If it was rigged.....we would see a lot more Kobe.
We know it wasn't rigged
Heck, you guys didn't even sell out your first game in this series...or so I heard...if you guys aren't pumped to come watch...
No, it wasn't rigged at all.
Yeah your prob right, they would love to see higher scoring "exciting" games, but you know the golden rule. Defense wins championships, thats why it more than likely be Spurs Vs Detroit. Yeah about not selling out, it can be many things. 1 ticket prices are outrages. 2. Scalpers buy up all they can and try to sell to us fans that really want to go. 3. All that was left as far as tickets go were all high priced tickets, I can promise you all the upper balcony level stuff was sold out. 4. Its not only the spurs the sell the tickets, its also the compe ion. I mean not to dis-credit the Jazz but come on. If it was Dallas, or you guys there is no way you could get a ticket.
Yeah... Horry hit him too hard... but if he would have flopped TOO... he wouldnt have been suspended a game...
(Nash flopped his ass off on that play, there is no denying it)
If he wouldn't have raised his elbow when getting confronted by Bell... he would have only been suspended one game...
I can imagine the consternation from Suns fan if THAT would have happend...
Fact is... we beat you shorthanded in game 6... not as shorthanded as you lost to us in game 5, but shorhanded nonetheless...
No one cried for us when Duncan (Through no fault of his own) went down in 2000 and we lost him FOR THE WHOLE POSTSEASON while we were trying to defend our first championship, and yet losing Amare and Boris for ONE GAME because of THEIR OWN ACTIONS gets you a week of national hankey time...
Listen... You are a good poster... I hope you stay here... you arent talking trash, but Suns fan like you is about 1 in 3 dozen.
Stick around... Post after the playoffs are over... a lot of these other spurs posters arent going to be here either...
This site has a lot of basketball knowledge on it and is one of the best on the web...
Two years ago we picked up a bunch of Detroit fans from the finals... they stayed...
We have a bunch of Sacto fans from round 1 last year...
We have a bunch of mavs fans... (most are trolls)
Non-whiney suns fan would be a great addition...
Yeah I aggree, even though I am new and have been known to trash talk from time to time....mainly with trolls. It is great to be able to discuss and see other viewpoints from other fans. Don't be discouraged by those who just want to piss you guys off.
Well thanks for that, but let me say this:
Nash flopped AFTER he hit that table and landed on his ass. That's when he flailed and laid on his back, his arms extended out behind him.
Before that, he did not flop...he got JACKED into that table
Stay near the bench.
By comparing their sizes I think Horry could have Really JACKED nash a lot worse if he wanted too. I guess its hard to say without being Horry or Nash. Yes it unfortunate what came of that as a result. For you guys though it was just one game in a best of 7 series so its really hard to say that was the pivotal moment of the series. I would say us winning game 1 was more of a pivotal moment.Well thanks for that, but let me say this:
Nash flopped AFTER he hit that table and landed on his ass. That's when he flailed and laid on his back, his arms extended out behind him.
Before that, he did not flop...he got JACKED into that table
Another thing you might want to tell posters on your site...
Complaining about officiating is the death rattle of the regular season contender...
You have to play through it...
Our team has remembered and not remembered to do that over the years...
Your team hasn't ever figured that out.
You mean your fans, or your team?
Because your players whine about fouls just as much as we do. Duncan's eyes get all BUG-EYED like he's never, ever committed a foul in his life
I actually think the Suns do a pretty good job of not getting upset about calls. It's impressed me about it. You hardly ever see Marion complain, or Leandro, etc.
But everyone complains about calls...it's just a fact of life when it comes to the NBA.
You mean your fans, or your team?
Because your players whine about fouls just as much as we do. Duncan's eyes get all BUG-EYED like he's never, ever committed a foul in his life
I actually think the Suns do a pretty good job of not getting upset about calls. It's impressed me about it. You hardly ever see Marion complain, or Leandro, etc.
But everyone complains about calls...it's just a fact of life when it comes to the NBA.
I wish I could say the same about your coach
You mean your fans, or your team?
Because your players whine about fouls just as much as we do. Duncan's eyes get all BUG-EYED like he's never, ever committed a foul in his life
I actually think the Suns do a pretty good job of not getting upset about calls. It's impressed me about it. You hardly ever see Marion complain, or Leandro, etc.
But everyone complains about calls...it's just a fact of life when it comes to the NBA.
Most players talk to the refs... I was talking about off the court...
Nash complained and yelled at the refs much more in this series than anyone on the Spurs. Duncan hardly said a word to a ref the whole series and Nash is yelling "BULL " in their face...
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Listen...I've seen a lot of boards, my own, and this one, and tons of others...let me tell you, we're ALL homers most of the time.
I know Amare and Boris were at fault for leaving the bench. I admit that and that's fine.
But the rule sucks and I'm bitter about it. Is it right? Maybe not. If it happened to you guys, would you be mad and bitter? Probably, because I would think you are a TRUE fan to your team and support them through thick and thin.
We're all fans of our teams...we stick up for them, we support them and that's the way it is
And after getting dumped by the Spurs again, the only bright spot on the horizon was the draft...and we didn't get that either
Anyways, thanks for reading my blog and posting it here...I feel flattered
Mike
Mike--
I agree with you--regardless of how anyone feels about the rule, I know that it must suck when it applies to your team.
I still feel that the Spurs would have won.
But I also agree that if the Spurs were the ones that got penalized, I would be going nuts as well.
I know it was a rough week for the Suns, with the series and the draft.
Last year sucked for the Spurs when we lost to the Mavs when we got in a hole and fought so hard to climb out--only to foul Dirk on the play that ultimately sent the team into OT, where we lost.
You seem like a reasonable guy--I commend you, Mike
where's the pic of the crashed pheonix bandwagon when you need it
Last year was nothing compared to .4
I have little Sympathy for the Suns "losing because they broke a rule" when we lost because Fisher broke the space time continuum.
Do we have to gloat so much when a decent Suns fan comes here and posts a respectful reply.
I mean--
Do we really need to do that?!
I always thought that only Man fans did that stuff.
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