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    Williams is a damn good offensive player, but he isn't half the defender that Parker is. Parker is carving him up and serving up 14 assists off of penetration alone, Williams can't do a damn thing about it. Good player, but one dimensional at this point. If he never develops the other dimension, he'll never be as good as Parker.

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    since when has tony parker been a good defender? his defense is going back at the other guy i havent seen him shut down anybody

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    Parker is probably the most complete PG in the NBA at this time...people hold his assist totals against him, but the Spurs offense is not designed to give him a ton of assists every game...nor is that what Pop asks of him.

    Not many guards bring it on both sides of the ball like Parker...

    I think it's a toss up between he and Chauncey Billups as to which one is the most complete...

    Nash is too much of a defensive liability to qualify for the le..and IMO, so is Kidd, plus Kidd can't hit the side of a barn....they are probably more Franchise P Guards than Parker is...but I don't think they are as complete on both sides of the ball as he is...

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    since when has tony parker been a good defender? his defense is going back at the other guy i havent seen him shut down anybody

    He defended the out of Iverson, Nash and Barbosa, and has been on both Fisher and Williams here. Williams isn't getting much of anything easy, and Parker + Bowen are reasons why. Watch a little more closely.

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    Both are good. If Parker keeps progressing with his mid-range shot and even a three he'll be ridiculous. One thing Williams has that Parker hasn't had is a guy like Boozer who is good at pick and pop as well as pick and roll. It would be interesting to see howw good Parker would do playing with a great pick and roll and pick and pop player.
    Then it would be ridiculous.
    When you see Tony scoring right now, we can see that he don't need manu or Tim.
    He can score with guys like horry or oberto,finley...only.
    And with a guy like boozer parker would average 25 and 10,with his speed,his dribble abilities, and his effectiveness to finish.(I'm not even talking about his iproving jumpshot)

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    since when has tony parker been a good defender? his defense is going back at the other guy i havent seen him shut down anybody
    wtf
    did you not see what he did to the 6 man of the year

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    since when has tony parker been a good defender? his defense is going back at the other guy i havent seen him shut down anybody

    Since about 2004....he actually had kind of a relapse last season but bounced back pretty good this season.


    Tony Parker is an excellent defender when pressed into service to be one, Pop doesn't really ask it of him often, yet, but he can do it...he has trouble matching up with big strong PG's...but they have trouble matching up with him too.

    Did you watch him defend AI?

    He's the only player I've ever seen stay in front of AI when AI is heading to the basket. He was better on AI in that series than Bruce was IMO...I think the same was true against Nash as well...but Bowen got the most minutes because I guess that's what Pop was most comfortable with(maybe he didn't want to run Tony's legs off on D).


    Parker is an excellent defender against long thin 2 guards or fast PG's...he just doesn't usually have to show it because Bruce usually gets the assignment.

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    Pfft...I'd take Williams over Parker in a heartbeat. Parker is a rich man's Devin Harris.

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    Pfft...I'd take Williams over Parker in a heartbeat. Parker is a rich man's Devin Harris.
    coaches take tp
    proof allstar game

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    Yeah but you also call yourself Findog...which means for you to like Parker he'd have to jack up shots like he's Jordan, whether he's hitting them or not.

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    since when has tony parker been a good defender? his defense is going back at the other guy i havent seen him shut down anybody

    i hope your screen name isn't indicative of the profession you're in because you're clueless.

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    coaches take tp
    That doesn't mean anything to me. Williams is stronger, has a better outside shot, is a better distributor, can defend as well or better, and isn't far behind Parker in the speed dept. Only Barbosa and Harris can tie Parker in a footrace.

    A lot of Parker's flaws are hidden playing with Duncan and Manu. Like I said, he's a luxury version of Devin Harris.

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    yeah coaches are stupid they study the game
    and watch film
    they should listen to you because you might study the game 1/100 of what they do

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    can defend as well or better, and isn't far behind Parker in the speed dept
    Stick to football.

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    why can williams never do anything against the spurs in the second quarter
    after that the game has been over

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    yeah coaches are stupid they study the game
    and watch film
    they should listen to you because you might study the game 1/100 of what they do
    Coaches aren't infallible. Anybody who thinks Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams after watching this season or the last two games head to head needs to share their stash with me. All Star Game selections tend to go to the best players on the best teams. It's a given that the Spurs weren't going to get just one berth with Duncan. Jamal Mashburn and Dan Majerle made an All Star Team. What's your point?

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    Stick to football.
    I don't like football. And I can't believe anybody objective would take TP over Deron.

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    I don't like football. And I can't believe anybody objective would take TP over Deron.
    You lost any credibility when you said Williams and Parker are on the same level defensively.

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    Pfft...I'd take Williams over Parker in a heartbeat. Parker is a rich man's Devin Harris.
    And Devin Harris is a guy living under an overpass with a shopping cart's Tony Parker.

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    You lost any credibility when you said Williams and Parker are on the same level defensively.
    They're both mediocre defensively.

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    They're both mediocre defensively.
    Thanks for reiterating my point.

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    And Devin Harris is a guy living under an overpass with a shopping cart's Tony Parker.
    They're the exact same kind of player, except Parker is a little bit better in every way. Harris is good at getting into the paint, Parker is great at it. Harris is a mediocre undersized perimeter defender adept at flopping, Parker is a smidge better. Harris has no outside shot, Parker is a streaky and inconsistent outside shooter. Neither one is a great passer or good at creating shot opportunities, but it's not as big a deal for Parker since he can throw a decent entry pass to Duncan, nor does it take much skill to swing the ball to Bowen or Finley in the corner.

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    Thanks for reiterating my point.
    Take off the homer glasses. Parker is a very good, borderline All Star. But he's not better than Williams.

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    They're the exact same kind of player, except Parker is a little bit better in every way. Harris is good at getting into the paint, Parker is great at it. Harris is a mediocre undersized perimeter defender adept at flopping, Parker is a smidge better. Harris has no outside shot, Parker is a streaky and inconsistent outside shooter. Neither one is a great passer or good at creating shot opportunities, but it's not as big a deal for Parker since he can throw a decent entry pass to Duncan, nor does it take much skill to swing the ball to Bowen or Finley in the corner.
    first off you have to drive to create for bowen or finely in the corner
    then you have to see them and pass it to them

    if it was so easy why can dallas not get a point guard that can do that

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    chris paul right now is not better then tp
    latter maybe

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