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  1. #26
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    Jason Terry and a bunch of spares isn't getting us Zach Randolph. I don't think Mavs fans realize that you've got to give up value to get value. A streaky shooting tweener who doesn't pass well isn't nearly as valuable to other teams as an all-around strong SF.
    Zach Randolph's value is mitigated as well, and for good reason. I wouldn't give up Josh Howard for him, no way, no how. Part of this team's problem is X's and O's and part of it is poise/maturity. I don't see how Randolph helps with the latter.

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    Amazing how many $60 million + players seem to be unwanted.

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    Zach Randolph's value is mitigated as well, and for good reason. I wouldn't give up Josh Howard for him, no way, no how. Part of this team's problem is X's and O's and part of it is poise/maturity. I don't see how Randolph helps with the latter.

    A BIG part of it is lack of a low post game! Stop trying to sugercoat that. The Mavs are a ing jumpshooting team and the lack of an inside game exposed us badly in the finals and in this years first round. We NEED a low post player in the worst way and if we have to give up Josh Howard aka a guy who does jack in the 4th then so be it! We cant avoid this problem anymore. We will never get anywhere close to a le if this issue isnt addressed. it is the harsh truth and you know that!

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    i also heard that the Mavs are intrested in a sign and trade for Lewis for Terry
    pull it.

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    does anyone have any real sources?

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    Are there even five 20 and 10 guys in the league? If all I can get for one of them is Rashard Lewis then I'd just hold on to Randolph and see what happens down the road.

    On the other hand, if the Sonics can turn Lewis and change into Zach Randolph, then they would have their inside(Randolph), mid-range(Durant) and outside(Ray Allen) scoring options locked up, which is what wins les, and they could build around them in the coming years by getting a defensive minded shot-blocking center, for example.

    That would be quite an off season for the Sonics. What a difference a ping-pong ball can make.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Mavs fans have fallen in love with a team full of chokers way too easy.

    I still believe moving Dirk is a good idea. That's obviously not gonna happen. I can live with that. What I CANNOT live with is people thinking that all this team needs are a few "tweaks" and claims that 67 wins proved that this team can win it all. Bull- ing- .

    Like I said, you've gotta give something up to get something. We got a team full of jump shooting choir boys and it didn't work. We brought in a new coach, a new philosophy, a 70 million dollar "center", and gues what - we're still a team full of jump shooting choir boys, except now we think punching someone in the nuts passes as "toughness".

    The Mavs have continually made strides in the right direction, but they aren't there yet. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO STAND PAT. Let's not let our devotion to certain beloved players get in the way of the ultimate dream.

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    Randolph is coming off a career year. His trade value will never be higher. They have to move his one-dimensional ass now.

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    does anyone have any real sources?
    http://mavs.beloblog.com/archives/20...t_on_mavs.html
    Best I could do, Hoopshype also has some intresting articles rup

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    If the Mavs are looking to improve defensively, Lewis isn't the answer. Then again, neither is Jason Terry or Dirk or anybody that isn't Howard and Diop.

    In the end the Mavs are limited in what they can do, or are willing to do. I'd do the Lewis for Terry deal (if Seattle is even interested). Also, sign Desmond Mason and just take a deep breath and put all our eggs in the "Devin Harris can be a true PG" basket and DON'T BAIL OUT AT THE FIRST SIGN OF TROUBLE....just keep him out there and let him go thru his growing pains. As great as Avery is, his two biggest flaws are overreacting at the first sign of trouble and overcoaching, and burying players in his doghouse despite everything they can do to help. If Devin Harris is supposed to be our PG, then LET HIM BE OUR POINT GUARD.

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    A Portland line up consisted of Jack, Roy, Howard, Aldridge, & Oden, is dynasty bound if they can stay together, develop chemistry, and are willing to work under McMillan guidance -a pretty good coach nonetheless. Jack is the glue guy, Roy is the perimeter superstar, Howard is the all around workhorse & perimeter defensive ace, Aldridge is the paint area hustler, and Oden is the Franchise bigman. What a potential.

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    On The Ticket in Dallas, they suggested a Terry/Dampier for Lewis/Watson trade. I dunno about financially, but this is definitely a win/win for both teams as far as helping them both get better.

    This doesn't solve our post scoring problem, but it does help us get bigger at the guard position, and Watson is a decent PG.

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    On The Ticket in Dallas, they suggested a Terry/Dampier for Lewis/Watson trade. I dunno about financially, but this is definitely a win/win for both teams as far as helping them both get better.

    This doesn't solve our post scoring problem, but it does help us get bigger at the guard position, and Watson is a decent PG.
    IMHO, to make it a rather equal trade, Dallas must throw a 1st # pick into the mix. If not, perhaps the Sonics FO has sense Lewis intention of bolting out of that franchise in the future.

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    The only one Ive heard so far is a sign and trade for Rashard Lewis. i also heard that the Mavs are intrested in a sign and trade for Lewis for Terry
    I've heard JET & Damp for Lewis & Watson. Lewis would play the 3 and Howard would move down to the 2. Harris & Watson would run the point.

    I'm not sure how this works in regards to money/contracts but I've heard it discussed by 2-3 different guys in the media.

    It would definitely make the Mavs more athletic but it still doesn't really address their low-post scoring problem.

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    lewis isn't a very good rebounder, and that's the only thing dampier does well. it still does nothing to help your post offense. from what i remember lewis can play decently in the post but prefers to jack it up from outside.

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    lewis isn't a very good rebounder, and that's the only thing dampier does well. it still does nothing to help your post offense. from what i remember lewis can play decently in the post but prefers to jack it up from outside.
    I don't see this happening anyway. Just throwing out some of the Mav trade speculation by the media.

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    i don't see a huge market for randolph either. maybe if he was a passable defender, but that contract and his still recent microfracture recovery is still a sizeable gamble.

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    i don't see a huge market for randolph either. maybe if he was a passable defender, but that contract and his still recent microfracture recovery is still a sizeable gamble.
    I dont know, hes still pretty damn young, hes a good post scorer and rebounder, I dont think the Mavs should try and get him, but a team like Houston or Chicago should def take a shot at him

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    I dont know, hes still pretty damn young, hes a good post scorer and rebounder, I dont think the Mavs should try and get him, but a team like Houston or Chicago should def take a shot at him
    houston would not be able to afford him, they are either already over or damn close. chicago could probably take the hit financially, but would be hosed from then on.

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    Terry / Buckner for Zach

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    I would easily take a shot on Randolph. Whatever it takes, we MUST address our low post scoring issues this summer if this team wants to have a realistic chance of ever getting back to the 05-06 level pre nba finals. Josh Howard I would easily deal along with a filler to land Zach. I wouldnt trade howard for a scrub but I would give him up in a heartbeat if it meant getting Randolph. Despite my blind homerism this year, I truly feared in my gut that the lack of an inside scorer was going to kick us in the ass. Trade Howard/Devons expiring contract to land Randolph. Then deal terry/Damp for Watson/Lewis. Then use the MLE to sign Desmond Mason and resign stackhouse!

    OMG Harris,Mason,Dirk,Randolph,Diop
    Bench:Watson,Stack,Lewis,Pops/croshere,Mbenga,Ager and our 1st round pick! OMG that gives me a ing hardon

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    i don't think exchanging randoplh's inside scoring for dampier's post defense is a very good trade off. dampier is way overpaid, and racks up fouls but he does rebound well, especially offensively, and is a good shotblocker. addressing one issue at the expense of another isn't necessarily a good thing.

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    i don't think exchanging randoplh's inside scoring for dampier's post defense is a very good trade off. dampier is way overpaid, and racks up fouls but he does rebound well, especially offensively, and is a good shotblocker. addressing one issue at the expense of another isn't necessarily a good thing.
    We have Diop who can do the very same thing and is alot cheaper than Damp. If we can just trade Howard to land Randolph and move Dirk back to the sf position....I will be happy

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    One big problem is that getting Lewis and Randolph makes our bad defense significantly worse.

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    We have Diop who can do the very same thing and is alot cheaper than Damp. If we can just trade Howard to land Randolph and move Dirk back to the sf position....I will be happy
    dampier is a lot stronger than diop. the two headed defensive center for the mavs isn't what i would call a problem for you guys. i don't think mbenga can step in and replace what dampier does at all.

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