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[T Park]

Put him on the court to do it...is all I am asking.

Be agressive and not play hot potato with the damn ball.

thats all were asking.

[whottt]

Try the '05 playoffs, when he was practically our 7th best player on the team, maybe even better than 7th. He still did not deliver with "big games". He had maybe 1 or 2 threes, and porous defense. He's not a good road player.

We won a championship...

When he's on the court, and he gets to play, he does stuff, even if he doesn't score...he gets others players going offensively...

And if you can't see that? You don't know basketball.

No other guard on this team gets other players better looks at the basket, and finds them...

Pop just doesn't particularly like that...luckily, Barry was the only option in 05...and it helped us win a le...

Unfortunately, he wasn't the only option last year...check out what Finley did in the clutch of game 7.

[td4mvp21]

Choking is what Michael Finley does when he's got the last shot of an elimination game...time and time and time again.

I almost missed this dumbass statement. 8-9 from three point land against Denver in Game 5 isn't clutch? Including several in the fourth? How about against Phoenix in Game 6, when he hit several threes in the third and fourth quarters to help the Spurs close out the Suns? Or last year, against the Mavs when he hit the three in the fourth to put us up by two in Game 4? I could go on and on and on.

[td4mvp21]

We won a championship...

When he's on the court, and he gets to play, he does stuff, even if he doesn't score...he gets others players going offensively...

And if you can't see that? You don't know basketball.

No other guard on this team gets other players better looks at the basket.

Right, but we're talking about his shooting, no? And his shooting doesn't get it done. So all of that other stuff (by the way, he did contribute with passing and other little things) is moot in this argument.

[T Park]

TD4

Those don't count shhhhh

[whottt]

I almost missed this dumbass statement. 8-9 from three point land against Denver in Game 5 isn't clutch?

No dumbass it isn't clutch...it's being up 3-1 in a series...if that's your idea of pressure?

You're a ing choker.

STFU and don't ever call me a dumbass at the same moment you are saying Finley is clutch...you umitigated .

[timvp]

Put him on the court to do it...is all I am asking.


Doesn't happen...and you know it...

Consequently he goes 0-2 in limited miniutes, you say he choked, and you back Pop's decision to not even let him on hte court to do the Phoenix thing again.

Again, Barry averaged more minutes on the road than at home coming into this series. Minutes is the one excuse you can't use when trying to explain why Barry is 0 for the playoffs on the road.

Use another excuse. He misses the coyote, his brother takes him clubbing on the road, the white home uniform camouflages him at home ... something other than the minutes excuse which has been proven wrong.

[T Park]

Michael Finley doing well is Whottt's biggest fear.

Finley has been a stud these whole playoffs, and he just can't stand it.

[td4mvp21]

No dumbass it isn't clutch...it's being up 3-1 in a series...if that's your idea of pressure?

You're a ing choker.

STFU and don't ever call me a dumbass at the same moment you are saying Finley is clutch...you umitigated .

I think I hit a soft spot.

I didn't call you a dumbass, I said your statement was re ed. So what about in Game 4 against Dallas when we were DOWN by 1 with about 10 seconds left and he hits a three to put us up? And being clutch can come at anytime in a series, NO MATTER WHAT. Finley has come through time and again for us this year. And in Game 6 against Phoenix, he had all 10 of his points in the fourth. I have the numbers to back it up, you have nothing except that "Barry never gets the opportunity". He doesn't get the opportunity because he doesn't hit a damn shot on the road under pressure.

[whottt]

Right, but we're talking about his shooting, no? And his shooting doesn't get it done. So all of that other stuff (by the way, he did contribute with passing and other little things) is moot in this argument.

Just le me know when you see Barry being the one they are doubling off of...

Then tell me he isn't helping.

[timvp]

Finley never clutch in an elimination game? Did whottt miss the 2001 playoffs? Mavs versus the Jazz on the road in the deciding Game 5 with the series tied 2-2. Stockton and Malone still on the Jazz. Dirk and Nash shoot a combined 6-for-22 from the field.

What does Finley do?

33 points on 13-for-24 shooting, including some of the biggest shots I've ever seen in the fourth quarter to eliminate the Jazz. Something the Spurs have never done -- beat the Jazz in the playoffs or merely win on the road.

I expect more basketball knowledge out of whottt.

Game Over.

[whottt]

I think I hit a soft spot.

I didn't call you a dumbass, I said your statement was re ed. So what about in Game 4 against Dallas when we were DOWN by 1 with about 10 seconds left and he hits a three to put us up? And being clutch can come at anytime in a series, NO MATTER WHAT. Finley has come through time and again for us this year. And in Game 6 against Phoenix, he had all 10 of his points in the fourth. I have the numbers to back it up, you have nothing except that "Barry never gets the opportunity". He doesn't get the opportunity because he doesn't hit a damn shot on the road under pressure.

I've never seen Barry miss a good shot under pressure...to win or lose.

Finley usually looks like Joe er with parkinsons if he's taking the final shot of a must win game....and the worst thing about it is? Duncan could be standing there wide open and he'll still take it.

[whottt]

I'll even go on record as guranteeing a le if Finley gets injured...and thinking we don't win one if he doesn't.

[td4mvp21]

I've never seen Barry miss a good shot under pressure...to win or lose.

Finley usually looks like Joe er with parkinson if he's got the final shot of a must win game.

I've seen him miss plenty of key shots that could have started a run, or during a run that we already started. Again, he doesn't get a lot of shots under pressure because he doesn't usually make them. Pop has run several plays for Barry in the fourth when we need a three in the reg. season and he misses those. What makes you think he'll make the ones when it matters? Last year against the Kings he made one, but too bad it had to hit every spot on the rim to go in. Not like it was talent.

[whottt]

RIght...Pop wants him to shoot 1000 in his 5 minute spurts or no pivotal minutes...

It took Steve Kerr, the greatest 3 shooter in NBA history, 5 years to be able to do that...

Finley damn sure can't do it either...he sucks worse than Barry when his minutes get yanked.

Instead of an 0-2 in 5 minutes....Finley'll put up an 0-14.


And I know...that makes Finley hard and Barry a pussy...according to Pop on down...


But the fact is...we won a le with Barry being the only alternative...and we choked like the ing Mavs with Finley replacing him.

[Solid D]

I've never seen Barry miss a good shot under pressure...to win or lose.

It's difficult to find Barry missing a good shot under pressure because lately... if his confidence is low, he passes up the shot. Besides, Brent is seldom on the floor in crunch time because of his defensive deficiencies...that's right, you heard me, defensive deficiencies.

[whottt]

It doesn't matter if Barry's confidence is high or low...he's looked nervous as heck when he's made his best shots for the Spurs. He plays better that way...

IT's not ecactly like Horry but it's similar...

Horry plays up to his talent level in pressure filled situations that make other players buttclench...that's why he's Horry. In normal situations(that include nervous situations for most players, he doesn't play with the same energy)..

Trust me...I analyze these things...that's why I can smell a choker from a mile off....Hedo lovers.

It's a talent...not a skill, and it really doesn't have much to do with heart.

[td4mvp21]

RIght...Pop wants him to shoot 1000 in his 5 minute spurts or no pivotal minutes...

It took Steve Kerr, the greatest 3 shooter in NBA history, 5 years to be able to do that...

Finley damn sure can't do it either...he sucks worse than Barry when his minutes get yanked.

Instead of an 0-2 in 5 minutes....Finley'll put up an 0-14.

Barry: 13 games played, 11 mpg, 33% FG, 30% 3FG, 2.5 ppg
Finley: 13 games played, 30 mpg, 44% FG, 47% 3FG, 14.2 ppg

I'd say Finley deserves his minutes and is very effective.

[td4mvp21]

It doesn't matter if Barry's confidence is high or low...he's looked nervous as heck when he's made his best shots for the Spurs. He plays better that way...

IT's not ecactly like Horry but it's similar...

Horry plays up to his talent level in pressure filled situations that make other players buttclench...that's why he's Horry. In normal situations(that include nervous situations for most players, he doesn't play with the same energy)..

Trust me...I analyze these things...that's why I can smell a choker from a mile off....Hedo lovers.

It's a talent...not a skill, and it really doesn't have much to do with heart.

Tell me you didn't just compare Horry to Barry.

[Solid D]

It doesn't matter if Barry's confidence is high or low...he's looked nervous as heck when he's made his best shots for the Spurs. He plays better that way...

This game may be an exception...I hope so...but it is not uncommon to see Pop on the sidelines yelling out to Brent after a missed offensive trip, saying "Brent, shoot it!"

Interesting that you have a Michael Finley avatar, whottt.

[T Park]

This game may be an exception...I hope so...but it is not uncommon to see Pop on the sidelines yelling out to Brent after a missed offensive trip, saying "Brent, shoot it!"

But Pops holding him back......

[whottt]

Interesting that you have a Michael Finley avatar, whottt.

I wear this av as a sign of my Spurs unity and to exocise the choking Mav taint from Finley...

Unlike TimVP and other lightweights who long ago gave up on the Av thing...I will wear mine to the bloody end.

[T Park]

33 points on 13-for-24 shooting, including some of the biggest shots I've ever seen in the fourth quarter to eliminate the Jazz. Something the Spurs have never done -- beat the Jazz in the playoffs or merely win on the road.

I expect more basketball knowledge out of whottt.

Game Over.

Kinda similar to game 5 vs the Nuggets this year nailing 8 of 9 from 3 land.....

[T Park]

Unlike TimVP and other lightweights who long ago gave up on the Av thing...I will wear mine to the bloody end.

<-------------------------------------------AHEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you have any ing idea how painfull it is to have that stiff there?!?!?

[whottt]

This game may be an exception...I hope so...but it is not uncommon to see Pop on the sidelines yelling out to Brent after a missed offensive trip, saying "Brent, shoot it!"

Doesn't surprise me...

It's also no secret that Pop is not exactly an offensive genius...he probably tells Finley good job as he spastically chunks up a game winning brick with Duncan standing there under the basket. I don't agree with Pop's belief that all open players are equal...I think some won't shoot as good as others in that situation...Pop doesn't...he's wrong.


Finely doesn't make any one better...Barry does.


IF Finley's shot is not falling...he definitely needs to be off the court, that isn't true of Barry...I don't care how bad his D is.