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    Auqifer contamination really isn't a valid concern when you have Camp Bullis over the majority of it and ANYTHING the military did between the 40's and now is 1 million times worse than what can be done with modern regulations.

    What's done is done.

    With new regs, nothing done in the future will be worse than what has been done in the past.

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    Auqifer contamination really isn't a valid concern when you have Camp Bullis over the majority of it and ANYTHING the military did between the 40's and now is 1 million times worse than what can be done with modern regulations.

    What's done is done.

    With new regs, nothing done in the future will be worse than what has been done in the past.
    Wow, every geologist I've spoken to at meetings disagrees with you, what are you basing that on?

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    I'm just saying that the level of contamination was much higher then than it is now.

    Also you do know that limestone acts as a filter for contaminants?

    "Contaminated" water can be filtered to non contaminant levels, all you have to do is spend more money on it. It's pretty easy to make contaminated water too. All you have to do is keep the water the same and pass laws raising the restrictions on what permited levels in ppm of certain things are. That's been done. Same water, new law. Wasn't "contaminated" before, now it is.

    The public really doesn't care about spending more money on water considering the utterly useless flouridation law. Restrictions have to be upheld, don't get me wrong, but wide swath reformists and PRESERVATIONISTS need to take a back seat so the developers, land owners, geologists and water conservationists can talk rationally.

    There is a big gap between "we don't need to do anything" and " we are in imminent threat of having no water at all for our children".

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    How many local meetings where these concerns come up and people speak on have you been to?

    (not being sarcastic, asking an honest question)

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    I have a hard time not hitting stupid people.

    Most times I just stay home and beat myself up. (heh)

    Nah, I've been to a few speaches and the like on the scientific aspects the aquifer and read a couple papers. I see the snippets on the news and hear things from a few people I know that deal with SAWS and Bexar Met.

    I'm a geologist myself, graduated with a degree from Trinity, though water rights and quality are far, far from my expertise.

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    I have a hard time not hitting stupid people.

    Most times I just stay home and beat myself up. (heh)

    Nah, I've been to a few speaches and the like on the scientific aspects the aquifer and read a couple papers. I see the snippets on the news and hear things from a few people I know that deal with SAWS and Bexar Met.

    I'm a geologist myself, graduated with a degree from Trinity, though water rights and quality are far, far from my expertise.
    Expertice or not, your credentials are far more impressive tham Manny's. He called you out and has nothing to come back with now. Oops! Wait! I predict he will reach deep into his bag of knowledge and go up one on you.

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    I called him out?

    I remembered him posting he was a geologist and was wondering what kind of experience he had with the people that are present at these type of functions. I asked him questions, which he answered (unlike you to the ones I posed to you).

    Anyhow,

    The vast majority of the scientists I've spoken to at these meeting don't thinkthe current regulations are enough. I myself am not an expert in any of these matters by any means, but I try to get informed from the people who's expertise are located in those areas.

    What is your area of study btw?

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    Hook, you usually have one of 2 takes.

    You're either ing that people should stop THEIR ing because they're not the ones in control, and therefore they don't know any better.

    or you're....

    nevermind, you only have one take. my bad.

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    I say that if the Save Our Springs jerks don't have the geedas to buy the land and preserve it they should shut the up.

    I say that if the property owners do something that pollutes groundwater outside their property boundaries they should pay for it to be cleaned up or be heavily fined for the infraction.

    That's my opinion.

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    Anyone remember Applewhite?

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    Anyone remember Applewhite?
    Damn good Quarterback! Hook 'em!

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    It's not as simple as who is building what on who's land, because of all the tax incentives council hands out, not to mention what goes along with the origional point of the post and vested rights.

    Regardless of what you believe people should be able to do with their own land, when it comes to tax incentives the people should be given a voice in the matter. City Council knew damn well that there was a lot of opposition to this type of development and the reason they tried to keep it under the radar was for that very reason.

    Now, ask yourself, who are those councilmen and our mayor supposed to work for? Those businesses or the people they supposubly represent?

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    It's not as simple as who is building what on who's land, because of all the tax incentives council hands out, not to mention what goes along with the origional point of the post and vested rights.

    Regardless of what you believe people should be able to do with their own land, when it comes to tax incentives the people should be given a voice in the matter. City Council knew damn well that there was a lot of opposition to this type of development and the reason they tried to keep it under the radar was for that very reason.

    Now, ask yourself, who are those councilmen and our mayor supposed to work for? Those businesses or the people they supposubly represent?
    It's easy to answer that question Manny. The truth, however, is a different story. I don't trust politicians individually and especially not in groups.

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