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I stopped reading after he mentioned Bowen might be the dirtiest of all time. Anyone who puts Bowen in the same universe as Laimbeer and fails to even mention the dirtiest of all players, Karl Malone, is ignorant beyond comprehension.
You got to be kidding. He is really ugly.
I stopped reading after he mentioned Bowen might be the dirtiest of all time. Anyone who puts Bowen in the same universe as Laimbeer and fails to even mention the dirtiest of all players, Karl Malone, is ignorant beyond comprehension.
Most players that actually play DEFENSE are called dirty at one time or another.
And putting Bowen in the same discussion as players like Laimbeer or Malone is laughable. Malone and Laimbeer tried to hurt people. I don't think the same is true about Bowen.
The article's take on Bowen is lazy.
The most intentional thing I've ever seen Bowen do was when he kicked Ray Allen, and my kids have kicked me harder than that, so if Bowen's out to hurt people, he must really suck at it considering all the opportunities he has.
No. I am with you and I am a woman. I think it is very stupid when men discuss the appearance of other men. That is because most of the men I know think that they are the best looking thing anyone has laid eyes on.
I wondered about that. What a guy would consider "grungy" a woman might consider "rugged".
I guess we all had the facts in front of us but I never actually saw us as the 'biggest obstacle to a small ball revolution'
That's kinda freaky and scary. After last year's defeat I figured Small Ball era was in full effect. But here we are, 1 win away from another finals appearance.
The thing is, Spurs don't play 'non small ball' or anything, we are like the chameleons of the NBA, and have been since 2005.
I agree with this article.
I see Tim Duncan as the most powerful sentinel, and perhaps the last one, holding back this growing tide of small ball which threatens to deluge the NBA. Just an observation... when TD is bothered by foul trouble or is out of the game, the Spurs become an ordinary team... still great, but now somehow beatable by other good teams... lacking the impenetrable defense that only TD provides.
Who can fill TD's shoes either within the Spurs organization or in other teams?
As regards small ball, teams cannot survive on small ball alone. Even San Antonio plays small ball when the situation calls for it, and they play it as well as the best of them. True strength lies in versatility and the Spurs can switch from a half-court game to small ball very quickly.
I guess we'll find out in 5 years.
You know ... I think I have a man-crush on Oberto too.
Is this bad?
I meant the non-gay comment.
Oden might be the next big obstacle to the small-ball onslaught. Or he might be the next Sam Bowie. I think this small ball thing is a fad, and when you look at the last 8 champions, all had a strong interior defensive presence and didn't live off the fast break or the three. If Phoenix keeps getting shut out of the Finals, the message will finally sink in with the GMs...going small only gets you part of the way there. The inferior teams for whom something is better than nothing (e.g. Golden State) will still play small and quick, but the teams that really want to make it over the hump and seriously compete for a championship will anchor their lineup with a defensive-minded big. Or at least that's what I hope.
That is my assessment as well. It's as if they are thinking, we can always get it back at the other end... well, what if the opponent doesn't let you?
Sexy article. Popeye Jones is a mutated Reggie Miller, and gets my vote for ugliest player of all time.
He is Argentine. He cannot be ugly.
The age of big, lumbering centers, a la Shaq, is coming to an end, but that doesn't mean there won't be big lumbering centers to come"
True, but I think we may see a new age of big athletic centers and big men a la Greg Oden who may take the game back above the rim again to oohs and aaahhs of the fans.
I mean these kids keep getting bigger and more athletic all the time. They may have to raise the basket and widen the lane again.
My friend who was an Argentinian exchange student last year went on and on about the Spurs and Ginobili when he was here. But no mention of Oberto...
-Mars
And, what about Rodman? I'd put him at the top of the list of freak uglies
You'd be surprised to see how many people don't even know who he isHero is stretching things. Manu is definately a hero here, Oberto... not so much. Although if he keeps playing like he's been playing, and ofcourse the Spurs win a championship, the local media will see to it that he turns into one, that's for damn sure.
Can't say it's that good of an article when the writer basically says, "Bowen seems intent on actually crippling people."
I don't agree with that at all. Bruce is not the type of person to ever intentionally want to hurt someone physcially. He is the best perimeter defender who just frustrates the high scoring players. And he does his job so well. But he is not dirty in any way. Why such hate for Bruce in this paragraph:
2. Bruce Bowen is dirty. Well, yes. Bruce Bowen is dirty, maybe the dirtiest of all-time. Even Bill Laimbeer, recognized as the gold standard for basketball filth, did things that were designed mainly to piss people off. Bowen seems intent on actually crippling people.
But why is it just an issue now, when Bowen's been a dirty player for a long time? He kicked Ray Allen in the back, he kicked Wally Szczerbiak in the face, and he's got a long, long, long history of sticking his feet under the feet of jumpshooters returning to the ground.
Bowen had a history, long before he undercut Amare Stoudemire from behind and kneed Steve Nash in the coin purse. But it was just a history of violence, not necessarily a history of fan hatred. Now, all the sudden, he's basketball's Bill Romanowski. It's like getting mad at O.J., but not until he wrote that If I Did It book.
Overall, I would have liked the article...but the Bruce insults made me hate it...lol.
And I don't think Oberto is ugly...I believe that Pop used to say that he is an "ugly player" but not "physically" ugly...lol. And I'm a girl...just saying from a female point of view, he ain't ugly.
For those of you interested, here's the commercial he's referencing:
http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=1836683&ord=1
The article wasn't completely true, but it made me laugh. He gets HUGE points for actually being witty instead of just focusing on how impossibly accurate his takes are.
I thought the same thing. I always wondered if by "ugly" you americans were refering to "bad looking" or something regarding his play, like "marion's ugly jumper". But when he compared him to Pippen, I understood it clearly.
It might be cultural standards of beauty. I think Oberto is a good looking guy. I wouldn't introduce him to my girlfriend, for instance.
And if you consider he's 6'10, he's even more good looking. How many good looking big men are around?
Everyone seems to be forgetting Larry Bird. Great, great player. One seriously ugly dude.
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