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sorry, but are we talking of a possible HALL OF FAMER Manu, here?
I think so, but I am too biased to speak. lol.
By now, Manu could sit there and end up in the hall of fame already.
sorry, but are we talking of a possible HALL OF FAMER Manu, here?
I think so, but I am too biased to speak. lol.
He wouldn't play for loosers.
Why would he?
be quiet you are stating facts people do not like
uhhh...if they drafted him maybe?
Sure, if he was expected to play 35 to 38 minutes a night every season I don't think he could perform at that level consistently. Fortunately, in SA he doesn't have to do so. In terms of perimeter players who can take over a playoff game in the most hostile arena in the league, I am hard pressed to name 3 other than Ginobili.
Manu is top five. He's s fierce warrior come fourth quarters, absolutely fearless and nearly peerless.
Kobe
Nash
To add to that, Wade and Dirk can both take over a game, and Arenas is money with the last shot, but Manu is still in the conversation. As far as non-superstars, I dont know who else you would want
This playoffs made me drop Dirk off that, but definitely overlooked Wade (when healthy).
I think it would be quite the opposite. Manu gets on his biggest runs when he has to be the man because Tim and Tony are on the pine resting and/or when it is real money time AND the other options are not working at the level the Spurs desire.
A large part of the problem with "Manu's consistancy" is a lack of the average fan being able to understand what Manu does in many other ways to make the Spurs a better team, even if it requires him to sacrifice his game.
I dunno. Put them in the Spurs system playing with Tim Duncan and getting Manu minutes/role and there are a lot of players that would probably come up big. Granted, most of the ones I'm thinking about are getting max money so it's probably not a fair comparison.
If you asked me to name another player making the same money as Manu I would want I wouldn't be able to pick one I would rather have.
So what?
He has all the choices.
Always had.
Not winning?
Forget about Manu.
The key is: WHEN MANU IS ON HIS GAME
when he is, I would put him ONLY behind Kobe and Flash as closer
he may pass Wade if he keeps this up in these playoffs
Manuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!
Today, I would rate him right up there with Nash and Kobe, with Kobe being the best and Nash 2nd.
Manu is as clutch as they come, but I reckon non-Spurs fans would probably put Kobe ahead of him in today's NBA, and a healthy Wade.
I think a good test is against LeBron - would you rather close a game with LeBron or Manu? I'd take Manu every time.
In fact, Manu is my favourite non-bigman of all time (my favourite players are DRob, Tim and Hakeem), primarily because of his amazing instincts and ability in the clutch.
oops, I see someone already beat me to it.
I must be right.
It's a great question. Here's how you answer it:
Imagine this:your team is down 2 with 12 seconds left. You have the ball out on the sideline. Out of all active players in the league, who do you want to have the ball?
You can say Manu, and I'm damn glad Spurs have him. I love him too. But my answer to the above question is, without hesitation, Kobe. He's a killer. End of story.
Think about this: The Spurs have one of the greatest players in the game in Tim Duncan. And a nifty lightning fast All-star guard who often shoots 50%
But whose hands do they put the ball into in the 4th quarter of close games? Manu.
Because he has skills, especially in the free throw shooting to take a team to victory in close games. When it counts, he'll score and get fouled and with ice water in his veins you can count on him to make the FT.
It's a matter of desire, of will to win if you like, and can't be taught. He has it.
It depends what your definition of clutch is. If the situation is like 5 seconds to go, down by 2, there are probably 20 other active players I'd rather give the ball to, including Tim and Robert on the Spurs.
But if the situation is like, down by 7 entering the 4th quarter of a Game 7, then Manu is right up there with Kobe and Wade as guys to keep giving the ball to repeatedly.
FT, FT, FT. Who is one of the best shooting FT guards of the ones who we are talking about? Manu Ginobili.
-Mars
If you consider that Drazen Petrovic is in the Hall with about the same type of NBA career, then Manu, with his comprehensive body of work in Euroleague, FIBA and NBA could certainly be enshrined. It's not the NBA hall of fame. It encompasses NBA players, refs, coaches, front offices, and their international counterparts, plus women.
That's just the thing. "When he's in rhythm and has confidence." The truly big-time clutch guys don't need to be in rhythm and have confidence to be clutch. They always have confidence and get themselves into rhythm.
But this is more of a clock winding down on the game sort of clutch that i'm speaking of. Like someone else mentioned, for a 4th quarter pressure packed situation, manu is good. But again, I think he needs more time than some other high-caliber clutch guys to get himself rolling and in rhythm. But once he gets there, look out.
I love manu though. I just carefully hand-washed his jersey with utmost care in the sink and it is laying out to dry (hanging might stretch the thing)...haha. I don't think that has anything to do with the subject at hand but just thought I'd let you guys know that
These past few years he has been poor in the clutch, at least in the playoffs. By clutch I mean last 5 minutes, where the two teams battling are within 5 points of each other. He has been turnover prone this playoffs too. In 2005 he was awesome in the regular season and playoffs in the clutch.
But clutch can also be just having an excellent overall game at a crucial juncture of a series. Manu has done that for most playoffs.
Overall this year I would say hes subpar in the 5 minute and under clutch. But he has the capability to be all star calibur in that regard. I guess what I am saying is hes not really elite in this area anymore, but sometimes he shows flashes of brilliance.
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