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Xenophobia, can't realy explain it any other way.
Homer.
Flopping is way too prevalent now and lots of guys do it, including Dirk, but Manu was and is the pioneer for elevating it to an art form.
* ah, just realized you're talking about Harris. I hate flopping, even when my team does it. But it's become an integral part of the game, trying to sell calls to refs. And Ginobili is the guy who has helped bring that about more than any other.
Last edited by Findog; 05-30-2007 at 12:07 PM.
Xenophobia, can't realy explain it any other way.
And he ruined the series too
The funny thing is... Manu is flopping SOOOOOOOOO much less than he did in 2005... lol...
He isn't even in the top 10 in the league in offensive fouls drawn...
There are two types of flops. The Raja Bell style such as when he throw himself into another player and then falls backward as if hit by a dump truck. This is the lowest form. Then there is the Manu style which is "I'm going to make sure that the Ref notices that I was fouled" flop. Personally I think that Manu goes at the rim alot, steals or goes for rebounding the ball and other things that causes the other players to foul him alot. I don't think he is near the flopper to which some people credit him.
So Manu's a "flopper". Let your mommy know about it.
Top 5 floppers in game today
1.Raja Bell -damm he is good at it! nobody close
2.Devin Harris- in a year or two will be in Bell's league
3.Manu- doesn't flop as much as he used to but is finding his artform just in time.
4.Derrick Fisher- old school flopper used to be #1
5.Tony Romo- wrong sport. sorry....
Last edited by redskinfan; 05-30-2007 at 11:47 AM.
I am sending this to Manu right now.
How many Manu flopping threads can one forum hold?
I'm saying that I want Dawson and Downey to break into Ginobili's room and stuff a contaminated rag into his mouth before this goes any farther.I'm pretty confident that if I had ten minutes alone in a room with Ron Artest, I could convince him that messing up Manu Ginobili is a good thing for all of us.
I would absolutely hate Manu if he played for any other team. Honestly.
Congratulations. You're an intellectually honest Spurs fan. That's a rare accomplishment. I'd hate Stackhouse if he weren't on the Mavs. Had no problem with Raja Bell when he was here, but can't stand him on the Suns.
He's truly become one of the league's great villians. Fans in other cities boo him now just when he gets off the bench. He's booed every second he's on the floor in Denver and Phoenix. Salt Lake City fans were on him from the moment he got off the bench in Game 4 of this series, too. He was absolutely reviled the day I saw the Spurs play in Seattle, too.
Even Tim Duncan isn't booed and treated like that.
Maybe because Duncan personifies the "right way" in a lot of respects on and off the court. Ginobili is as bad as the Italian World Cup team.
This pissed me off more than calling Manu a flopper. No reason to talk like that about his mom.But now, this balding son of a strumpet will flop anywhere on the court, at any time, at any distance away from the ball, and for any amount of pretend contact.
I think a lot of us would dislike some of our players if they were on another team. Thankfully, we don't have to worry about that.
Besides, blame the league. They can police flopping better if they want to. As long as it works, why do anything different?
and Robert Horry ruined the Phoenix series... give me a break..
He just gets under people's skin...ref's can see that he is getting to other players.. so when he "flops".. ref's think it's the real thing because the other players have already shown some frustration and words
give me a ing break! fans love to demonize the players that give them the most grief. Manu flops, but not nearly as much as it is made out to be. The reason the "Manu flops" bull gets thrown around so much is because teams can't find any other way to justify him owning their asses. Its better to say he flops and try to discredit his performances, than to admit you have no answer for the guy. The dude flops more than most, but I wouldn't classify him as the worst flopper out there. He's just the most notorious. Its the same basic principle behind the hatred of the Spurs. Hate comes with success. If Manu was flopping his ass off, but was playing for the Hawks for example, noone would say about him.
and the reason fans don't demonize Duncan is because you can't find the angle to do it. The man leaves you no choice but to respect him. The most opposing fans have on Tim is that he whines a lot
I'd like for the league to look into the blatant flop = tech issue.
The sad thing is that this wasn't really an issue until George Karl had to rag on him during the '05 series about his flopping. Since then that's the only thing the media and people will talk about.
I think the issue with the flopping isn't the fact that Manu over does it. It's that every team tries to one up the other. If Fisher wouldn't have flopped before Manu's jumper, then he wouldn't have run into Manu for not getting the call. Manu then, knowing he was in Fisher's head, flopped on the next jumper and got Fish ejected. Hilarious, but not good for basketball.
The other fans fear him more then Duncan. While Duncan kinda goes along and gets his, fans in other cities have witnessed for themselves how Manu can take over a game and completely turn it around. They may boo him, but there isn't a damned one of them that doesn't wish he was playing for their team.
Just as Duncan in a rare player that is fundamentally sound on both ends of the court, Manu is also a rare player that sometimes flies by the seat of his pants and makes it up as he goes along.
Call him a flopper, but like someone said he doesn't "flop" nearly as much as he used to, and he probably feels he has to exagerate everything just to get a call. How many times have we seen replays where he slapped across the arms and face and still no whistle?
But what I really like about Manu is his ability to take a hard hit, get up off the floor, and shove it up the other teams ass. It's like he loves hard contact. That's what gets him going.
So wait. Are you against players ever embellishing contact? Are you claiming that those who frequently embellish contact aren't doing things the "right way?"
You might think real hard about that one, since there is nobody in the NBA who embellishes contact more than its reigning MVP.
I think another thing that makes him a villian is the fact that he's pretty much unflappable.
Put a hard foul on Ginobili and he just bounces up and takes his free throws. A bad call on Manu? He'll complain to the officials, but never enough to get a technical, and never enough to take him out of his game. He's constantly adjusting to what's going on in the game around him and he finds a variety of ways to just win games. He's an extraordinarily intelligent basketball mind.
I agree that Manu has reached a point where a lot of the contact he sustains goes uncalled, and that's probably a consequence of his rampant flopping a while back. He's certainly, to my eyes at least, curtailed the flopping and moved more towards embellishing actual contact to try to bring attention to all of the contact he sustains on drives.
But to say that he's not getting hit with some frequency -- or that he's not getting hit hard when he gets hit -- is simply ignorant.
You're on the wrong board to be telling people to STFU, aren't you?
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