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Boy, this topic question really crosses into the "more information than we need to know" category.
Oh, wait, you mean HEIGHT . . .
than a slow broke-ass ex spur killer can too? cmon, dont even compare Kidd with will smith
Boy, this topic question really crosses into the "more information than we need to know" category.
Oh, wait, you mean HEIGHT . . .
Um, Robert Horry doesn't hustle, how dare you expect that, you are asking the clutchest player in NBA history to be a hustle player? I think you need to reconsider just who you are asking that of. Better be careful or big shot Rob will have to throw a towel in your face. What Robert Horry does....Robert Horry stands there looking cool until you forget about him or think he sucks and then stabs you in the back and steals your ring.
If you want hustle put Malik in...and leave Horry alone. Just make sure he's in the game if it is big and it gets close...you only hurt yourself if you don't. Horry will hustle when he damn well feels like it and at no other time.
He might not have been Bill Russell, but there's a huge dropoff right now in his rebounding numbers. Only someone trying to validate Horry's worth wouldn't be able to admit that.
REBOUNDS PER 48 MINUTES
01-02 - 10.73
02-03 - 10.65
03-04 - 9.96
04-05 - 5.86
He has to rebound better if the Spurs plan to use him in fourth quarter. If he can get that number back up to around 10, then I wouldn't have a problem playing him. However, right now his game is in such an obvious decline, I can't justify playing him any critical minutes. On top of that, he hasn't been clutch for a long time now.
TimVP, every team that has traded Horry in his career..every detractor he has had since 1992, always cites statistics...it is a lost cause to analyze his statistics...his stats suck, especially his regular season stats, they have always sucked. I know that you know this. And I am not going to try and defend his stats..they are indefensible and I would say you could say that about every year of his career except 1 or 2.
You say to me you see no reason to give Horry extended minutes...I say ok, I agree, in fact I was saying it last year.
Why would you want to give him extended minutes anyway? He is 34 and his worth has never been judged by what he does in extended minutes except with a few exceptions.
But when you say to me you would not give him critical minutes...I say why in the world not? That's is the situation he has excelled in for his entire career...what is the point of having him if it isn't for those minutes?
You say he's not clutch...I say then how come his best game against the Lakers was the elimination game?
You cite the one missed playoff game winner of his career...I say...he was injured...he had an injured hand...it affected his performance throughout the playoffs...but all you need to know..that shot was the best he took in the series, it went in the basket deep an bounced out...and how in the did we leave him open to take that shot, how was he in perfect position..wide open and how did he get the ball...How? Because he's Horry and that's what he does if you give him the opportunity.
You judge him by LA last year...I say o...he spent 7 years with that team, Phil Jackson is one of the smartest coaches in history especially at determining a players weakness, he's an ass but he's a smart mofo....do you really think he and the other multiple champ Lakers didn't notice the weaknesses in Horry's game over a 7 year period? They figured out how to stop Duncan and Robinson in 2001...no easy feat that season...even with Drob being old. They have figured out how to stop Duncan and let his teamates lose the game for him more often than not in Duncan's career.
Horry hasn't been given the opportunity to hit a last second shot or play with the Spurs...he hasn't. That's his true speciality...those make or break moments...that's when he's not a below average player.
So I say...what I said last year...give Malik the bulk of the minutes, Malik should be the workhorse, Malik needs those minutes to play through his clumsiness, that's Malik's game....it's the role that suits him best..but when things get tight..it's just stupid not to have Horry and his 5 rings and portfolio of exceptional playoff moments, on the court....
I've never seen a true clutch player lose clutchness...I don't think it happens..Injury does though...I think Horry is still as clutch as he has ever been...if he is healthy.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who first thought that!
I don't think the Spurs have a big problem or disadvantage.
"you are asking the clutchest player in NBA history to be a hustle player?"
I'm looking for a way that Robert could/should adapt his style of play to his physical decline, never an easy task. But it, at least "hustling rebounds" is one thing he can still do. If he can't do that, what CAN he still do?
As timvp showed, Horry is way down in is RBs this year even vs his first Spur season.
And several of us have noted, as Pop sure has, Robert blowing his defensive assignments that gave up buckets.
The guy, most sadly, is bordering on useless, even counter-productive.
Horry's "clutch" laurels, which I don't disregard even if he hasn't been clutch since 2002 at latest, old history, useful for his scrapbook and grandkids. There are several of us who have nothing against Horry, but dammit, we can see he ain't pulling his weight this past month.
He's never pulled his weight when relied on to carry a team or function as a back bone....and when LA tried to do it they ed him up.
The guy was a defacto starter for LA who asked to come off the bench...
I'm sure he's declined...but so had Steve Kerr...didn't mean Kerr wasn't the right guy to go to to end our scoring droughts in 02-03, as many like myself had said when he rusted away on the bench during the 2001 slaughter at the hands of the Lakers.
Just let Horry be Horry...he's not going to be a hustle player, he's not going to be some guy that pulls down 10 and 5...he's a championship acessory, he's a guy that can help a championship contender be a champion, he is not a guy that's going to lift a lottery team to the playoffs or a weak playoff team to a championship..if you don't have a team capable of contending for a championship Horry is the last guy you want on your team...But if you have a team that is a true le contender Horry is the first guy you want to sign for your team.
Jerry West realized this...Spurfans and Kingsfans have had this fact shoved down our throats.
......he always looks like when he plays...he always looks like a guy who can't beat you. He has always been this way. I swear. His nickname has been "the statue" for 10 years now.
If you do a search on Horry you will find 50 million quotes by people always saying the same thing....don't judge him by his stats. Just let Horry be Horry...if you guys don't want him getting minutes when it matters most fine...let Malik or Rasho get those minutes...I mean there' every reason to think they will perform better in those minutes than Horry, and no reason to think Horry will play better...right?
horry is no longer clutch and hes ancient
he is a nice role player to have simply for his experience and because he does a lot of good things but in the end hes just a reserve forward for 15 minutes a night
My problem with Horry is this. In the two games this season that Pop went to him in 4th quarters that matter, he was destroyed defensively. He was a matador. He wasn't even putting his hands up. He was missing all his switches. He was getting boxed out by everyone and their mother on the boards.
So I'm not understanding where he should get minutes. If you are saying playing him in critical situations in limited minutes, he hasn't shown anything to prove himself worthy of that. He has hurt the Spurs this season when used at critical times.
I'm all for him getting spot situational minutes. But if he is going to get blown by on D and not even look to get rebounds, I'd be scared to death to use him in 4th quarters that mean anything.
He's no more ancient than Barry or Bowen...
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it. Horry has always shone brightest in his teams darkest moments...including game 6 VS LA last year. You always forget about him or think he sucks until those moments.
And he he still showed he's the type of player that helped Houston come back from all those elimination games...in our elimination game he showed up to play...the rest of the team had a broken heart from .04...Horry didn't.
I don't think you guys get it...the fluke last year was the Memphis series...that was an unusual series for him...it was probably the 3rd or 4th best series statistically he's ever had in his career...just like from an efficiency perspective...last post season was one of the best of his career. I think his FG% was the second best of his career.
horry shone his brightest when he hit nothing but backboard on a three point attempt with about a minute left in game five of the 2004 western conference semifinal playoff series versus the los angeles lakers a few months back
we know you will attempt to drown a thread in your verbosity simply to make it appear that you have an argument but you dont
Maybe you are right Kori...but I wouldn't have a second thought about having Horry take the game winning shot...in fact I think I'd prefer him to take it over any other player on the team except maybe Duncan...who revealed a knack for the big playoff shot himself last season.
Don't judge Horry by stats...especially regular season stats. Everyone in the world knows it.
And don't act like the Horry was the only one missing a shot in that LA game...ask why the guys that were left open...IE Bruce and Hedo..were missing them.
Besides...our team has the best record through 15 games that it has ever had, you guys are acting like we are in the middle of a 5 game losing streak and our season hangs in the balance...Horry has a history of giving his team what it needs when it most needs it and doing absolutely up until that point..you may not like that at ude...but he's got 5 rings........When the team needs him most he will show up to play....until then it's the regular season, we are 12-3 and off to the best start in team history, we haven't needed anything from him, including rebounds, and his stats reflect that...you spoiled mother ers.
One day you guys will learn that whottt should never be questioned on issues he takes the time to right 15 2000 word essays on.
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