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Not all "butter bars" are college whackos.
when have i taken an "anti-everything american stance"? i havent you little jerkoff.
also opposing policy is not being anti american go yourself
Not all "butter bars" are college whackos.
Wow, thanks for your opinion (obviously based on prior experience) Duff.
You do realize 41% of the officers in the military come from the "civilian" side (direct commission or acceptance through OCS), right?
I've got a sister that's a full colonel in the Army, a bro that's Chief Petty Officer in the Navy, you couldn't be further from the truth.
Respect among the troops is all about being "one of them", not about whether you were a grunt first.
Lead by example and build trust with the men in your unit, and you'll have all the respect you need.
Soldier first, bureaucrat second.
Name some commissioned officers that didnt go to college.
You think Colin Powell wasn't respected as he worked his way up to 4star. He was never enlisted - he went to CCNY, was in ROTC and then began his career.
What about Ike? Commissioned after college.
What about Patton? Commissioned after college.
The enlisted men who automatically discount commissioned officers are the ones with chips on their shoulders, and probably arent all that bright.
My uncle enlisted, and is a Master Sergeant in the USMC. He served in Afghanistan and two tours in Iraq. He has a lot of respect for officers, even the young ones, because there is such a demand to get into OCS, he knows that the ones that get in are the absolute best, and are people that want to be there.
Dont be an idiot, Duff. I know its hard for you.
When I was in the Corps, an an enlisted man and damn proud of it, there were some young college officers who "thought" they knew it all but it the enlisted NCO's that covered their asses on more than one occasion.
We did have more respect for the Warrant Officers who had been enlisted men before because they knew what it was like. But it does depend on the quality of the officer that would determine who they were respected.
To be honest, I'd follow or listen to my Gunny or Top's orders before I'd listen to an officer...but that doesn't apply to all situations.
aggie you should tell joetaco to join the jihad too
I am offended by that comment.The enlisted men who automatically discount commissioned officers are the ones with chips on their shoulders, and probably arent all that bright.
But there are also officer's with chips on their soldiers and may not be all that bright either. For in battle, a degree may not mean .
But hey that is just me and in closing I will say....SEMPER FI!!!
Oh, and I always respected for officers because....well, I'm a Marine and that is what we do.
That's Joe Chalupa to you my furry friend.
Absolutely.
You just contradicted yourself.But hey that is just me and in closing I will say....SEMPER FI!!!
Oh, and I always respected for officers because....well, I'm a Marine and that is what we do.
If you automatically discount an officer, just because he went to college - you are a moron and you do have a chip on your shoulder.
If the officer was an idiot, then he needs to be put in his place, and most of the time the capt will do that.
From my exp, most 2Lts dont come in flexing their OCS muscles and ordering around the enlisted. If they are, that wont last too long.
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying...I meant when they first come in they have zero respect.
AHF your sister is a COLONEL, not a 2lt. When they first come in they get no respect. NCOs basically see these guys as privates, with more rank, because they don't know anything.
I know they come from the civilian side, that's why at first they don't get any respect. I was in the Army for two years. and you hear that from all the NCOs and enlisted persons talking behind the backs of the fresh officers.
But if the CO does what he is supposed to do, they don't talk smack for long.
Duff, my sister didn't start out a colonel.
I think you need to pay attention to what Joe is saying. I come from a military family. I'm a firm believer that you have to give someone respect before they'll give it to you, and probably more importantly respect is something that you earn, not something that is given to you because of a rank on your shoulder.
You were in the Army a whole two years, wow. My dad's retired USAF (20), my sister's at 18 years, and I have a bro retired Navy who was in 15. I think I'll go with their 43 years of collective experience in dealing with officers over yours.
I know she didn't start out as a colonel, and I never said she did. I'm saying the reason you don't see that now is because she is a colonel, she earned it.
I'm saying that when they first get in...they get saluted and called sir or ma'am, but NCO's don't give them much respect besides that. Talking about them behind their backs, it all happens until they get respect. even my Drill Sergeants would talk about our CO behind his back.
Which is exactly why newly commissioned officers don't get much from NCO's when they first join the unit. They get the respect from NCO's that you are supposed to give an officer, but the respect that they get from earning it.
I'm not trying to say I didn't respect any officer in my company, I never saw the difference in serving as an enlisted man before being a commissioned officer and not being one. But alot of NCO's and non-NCO's don't see it that way.
And you would know this how Duff?
Because he counceled his GI-JOE's!
I don't think it's very meaningless to the people who lose their lives as a result of the politics of this world.
People that quit don't exactly get a whole lot of respect. I have faith in AHF being able to earn respect over you knowing about respect.
Actually, furthermore, what job on this earth do you go in with respect?
Everything I've ever done has required the earning of respect to show what you can do.
You guys will have to excuse Duff, he's just out of touch with ..... Everything.
Giving someone respect and actually having respect for that someone are totally different.
, this is the first poll I wish I could have voted 5 different times. Nice job Kitty!
That's exactly my point. The same thing applies to newely commissioned officers.
Well thanks for pointing out a point that was irrelevant and assumed.
Duff, Capitan Obvious!
when i was in we would look at all officers (ocs or west point) with a wary eye until they proved themselves otherwise. the warrants by far, were always welcomed with open arms until they screwed up. usually the former warrants garnered the most respect bc you knew they had done your job before. it is hard to respect someone that tries to tell you what to do if they have never even done it themselves.
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