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    Students in high school need to be given more real life classes.

    "How to manage your finances."

    Instead of horse classes like the History of 18th century art.

    Give me a break.
    for once, i agree with tpark

    what good is calculus gonna do... at least the big formulas where all you have to do is memorize where to put the numbers and such.

    and chemistry, wtf?

    how about like what tpark said, how to manage your finances

    school is sometimes a waste

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    what good is calculus gonna do... at least the big formulas where all you have to do is memorize where to put the numbers and such.
    Hmmmmmmm.......I don't know, maybe help calculate current trends in our economy. But hey, who needs to know that useless crap.

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    Hmmmmmmm.......I don't know, maybe help calculate current trends in our economy. But hey, who needs to know that useless crap.
    goddamn tsa do you read anything?

    like this



    will that help you calculate current trends in our economy? and if it does, will you remember that formula and use it often?

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    for once, i agree with tpark

    what good is calculus gonna do... at least the big formulas where all you have to do is memorize where to put the numbers and such.

    and chemistry, wtf?

    how about like what tpark said, how to manage your finances

    school is sometimes a waste
    The idea is for you to be educated in all areas. Being well rounded has big advantages.

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    This is what I have a real problem with. Going back to the pussification of America that I and a few others here have been preaching.
    Understandable, and like I said with j-6, I won't say you're wrong. However, there are people who, no matter how hard they try, no matter what changes, nothing will help them pass these tests I mean, if some people can get through it why can't everyone else? Because everyone thinks differently and not everyone works the same way. That's what I've been saying the whole time.

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    I never said learning should stop at 3:30 or whenever school ends. I was just staing that it's not at the hands of the parents all the time, and that probably wasn't clear. Sorry about that. That's why there are schools.

    And as for the parents being in charge of the child's education, my parents have the ability to take her out of school and to work with her and for her to achieve in a different way. For other children who struggle with testing and pressures, such as children in poverty or those who have parents who can't be at home with their children (my mother stays at home), they have to deal with the Texas school system and all that comes along with it (funding, testing, teaching, apathetic teaching, etc.)
    I wish the biggest problem with poverty in education were parents who wished they could get involved but couldn't.

    My experience is that families in poverty place zero priority on education unless the parents are immigrants.

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    for once, i agree with tpark

    what good is calculus gonna do... at least the big formulas where all you have to do is memorize where to put the numbers and such.

    and chemistry, wtf?

    how about like what tpark said, how to manage your finances

    school is sometimes a waste
    I predict this guy is going to be a marketing major.

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    I wish the biggest problem with poverty in education were parents who wished they could get involved but couldn't.
    It's one of the the many, many problems.

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    Understandable, and like I said with j-6, I won't say you're wrong. However, there are people who, no matter how hard they try, no matter what changes, nothing will help them pass these tests I mean, if some people can get through it why can't everyone else? Because everyone thinks differently and not everyone works the same way. That's what I've been saying the whole time.
    Two-tiered education system. Kids who aren't cut out for college get vocational training. It takes a cultural change to get there.

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    Two-tiered education system. Kids who aren't cut out for college get vocational training. It takes a cultural change to get there.
    It would beat the out of the one-size-fits-all public education that is currently available. But, you're right that it won't happen in the foreseeable future -- at least until government runs out of standardized testing ideas.

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    I predict this guy is going to be a marketing major.
    you should take ms. cleo's job because i am interested in business

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    Instead of horse classes like the History of 18th century art.

    Give me a break.
    Oh yes, God forbid we give students the opportunity to learn about culture in what I guarantee would be an elective class since the majority of the few basic art programs that are left teach ing "perspective" and "shading" year after year to the same students. In fact, I would love to hear that high school students had the option to take a class like that, but I know that the vast majority does not.

    I will be the first person to say that I SUCK at timed tests/multiple choice/etc, but it was classes like art history, conceptual art, and other electives that reinforced critical thought and helped me to better cope with testing.

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    I loved 18th century art ... I took art history in college and it was fantastic.

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    for once, i agree with tpark

    what good is calculus gonna do... at least the big formulas where all you have to do is memorize where to put the numbers and such.

    and chemistry, wtf?

    how about like what tpark said, how to manage your finances

    school is sometimes a waste
    You don't have to take Calculus, it's an elective not a required course. It's good for critical problem solving. If you can do an advanced Calculus problem it shows that you can put the time and effort to sit down and solve any kind of problem. Engineers, Doctors, Astronomers, Computer Programmers, Technicians all take Calculus and other advanced Math courses it's a good stepping stone to be able to solve problems in stressful situations. You won't have to use Calc to predict trends, that's basic alebra -- graphs/lines/curves etc.

    Chemistry, like Calculus is not required, but it offers so much.

    On the HS test, I had to take that piece of , it was pretty easy and I mean a little too easy. It was easy enough for people who had no use for a diploma to pass. I agree with AHF's standpoint, that's the only opnion I read in this thread that was long.

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    That reads:
    You're integrating from b to a. F(X) is the function of X, they'll give you a forumla, multiplied by the dx (derivative of x). I don't know what the colon is for and F of theta, I guess it's asking for the derivative of the function if theta were pluggined into it or something. Then you multiply everything by -1.

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    I wish chemistry were optional...I have an honors chem final on monday that I haven't studied for and I ing hate chemistry.

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    You don't have to take Calculus, it's an elective not a required course. It's good for critical problem solving. If you can do an advanced Calculus problem it shows that you can put the time and effort to sit down and solve any kind of problem. Engineers, Doctors, Astronomers, Computer Programmers, Technicians all take Calculus and other advanced Math courses it's a good stepping stone to be able to solve problems in stressful situations. You won't have to use Calc to predict trends, that's basic alebra -- graphs/lines/curves etc.

    Chemistry, like Calculus is not required, but it offers so much.

    On the HS test, I had to take that piece of , it was pretty easy and I mean a little too easy. It was easy enough for people who had no use for a diploma to pass. I agree with AHF's standpoint, that's the only opnion I read in this thread that was long.
    chemistry is required from where im from, and thats bs. its the class with the highest failure percentage

    my class average is a D...

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    That reads:
    You're integrating from b to a. F(X) is the function of X, they'll give you a forumla, multiplied by the dx (derivative of x). I don't know what the colon is for and F of theta, I guess it's asking for the derivative of the function if theta were pluggined into it or something. Then you multiply everything by -1.
    you know your stuff

    basically you plug the number on top of the squiggly line into the thing in front of dx which is just there for nothing. then you plug the bottom number into the thing in front of dx, and subtract the first outcome by the second.

    basic calc. bs that isnt used in life

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    chemistry is required from where im from, and thats bs. its the class with the highest failure percentage

    my class average is a D...
    We're both in Cali and where I'm from you need two years of science to graduate: 1 Life and 1 Physical. You HAVE take Biology so your Life Science is covered, the physical science is: Physics, Chemistry, or Earth Science (8th grade science), so essentially in my school district you can take Biology which is a pretty easy class and just say your dumb and take Earth Science to cover you Science criteria and graduate.

    I took Chemistry Honors my sop re year and it was supposdly the hardest science class at my school and the teacher give hard tests out, I got a B first semster and worked harder and got an A second semester. I was a good kid until towards the end months of my Jr. year where I stopped caring and it lowered some of my grades down.

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    I'm with you, FromWayDowntown.

    How about we teach the students Algebra,History, and Science and make such an emphasis on teaching those courses and passing them at the end of a semester. Standardized tests are STUPID and it hurts the state of Texas. The state is 50th in the nation in dropout rates. That is unacceptable. It was sad seeing how far advance kids on the East Coast was compared to the kids here in Texas. Most Texas kids do not learn what matrices are until the 11th grade when they are taught that in Algebra 2. But kids in Maryland and New York are taught matrices in the 9th grade. The work they showed us would embarass Texans. The reason is because they make an emphasis on the courses, not a test.


    You know, I don't think drop out rates are an accurate indicator of the success (or lack there of) of standardized testing. In a state where 50% of the population lives below the national poverty level, there are so many more factors. A large immigrant population brings up cultural differences where education does not have the same value as in other cultures. The state has nothing to do with that. I venture to guess that New Mexico, Arizona, and Calif. are up there in drop out rates too.
    my kids were educated in Maryland from K to 3rd and 5th grades. My 3rd kid was in a private school so we won't count him. Their school ranked 13th in the state's standardized testing (there are about 13 school districts in Baltimore alone). Both kids had straight A's in their courses (the oldest was in the gifted program). They both had commendable results on the state test. Then we moved toTexas; their grades in math began to drop quickly.
    The teachers all told me my kids lacked basic fundamental math skills. What!?! I had them privately tested...my kids could not multiply!!!! Talk about a shocker!!. And guess what? The school couselor in the committee that handled my kids learning problems says, "You know what? This is not the first time I hear this. There was a family last year with the exact problems". So she left to check their file and what state did they come from? MARYLAND!!!! I don't care what any study says, my personal experiences are what I believe. The east is NOT better.
    Last edited by mrsmaalox; 06-10-2007 at 09:38 AM.

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    some ppl are not bookworms but are good in the workforce, thats the difference

    i can kill assignments if i put the effort into it, just the preperation and stuff.

    exams you tend to choke cose its not open book and , and you sometimes dont know wtf they are going to test you on, you can study all the hard questions and they probably test you on easy questions and you up.

    i just had my auditing exam on thursday last week, lets just i say i killed my assignment, i went through the structure and guidelines, but the up thing is the who marks your papers, sometimes they want more out of you instead of straight up answers, they wanted a broader answer from another situation etc...i ended up barely passing the assignment....yeh thats n right this subject is 70% failure rate for everyone.

    back to my auditing exam, i killed it, they tested on all easy questions which was pretty much common sense, just the writing up part is kinda d up cause i had to get at least 50/100 just to pass the damn subject and i was under the pump, i make love to pressure.

    my last one is this wednesday, commercial law is a n biatch with the structure and referencing of case studies.......

    some ppl are good on assignments but choke in exams.....

    1st year of uni = new students will do well due to motivation and
    2nd year and last year = students will tend to get to lax in the environment and lose all that motivation, its make or break in those years and this is where they test your patience...and high drop rates.

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    It is a combination of factors, obviously, but the job of the school is to set the standards. But for years that has not happened. There are Honors students who graduate from certain districts in San Antonio who have to take remedial classes at community colleges because they don't have the basic math and English skills for freshman level coursework. There are students whose parents have no clue of the low level of their achievement because they bring home A's and B's. It has even moved into college courses, as well. More than one professor has told me-- what used to be a C is now a B and what used to be a B is now an A. I could not figure out how on earth I could get 100's on papers in grad school! Now I know-- what used to be an A is now a 100. My middle school teachers would not even give a 100 on a paper but all these years later I get them in grad school.

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    That reads:
    You're integrating from b to a. F(X) is the function of X, they'll give you a forumla, multiplied by the dx (derivative of x).
    Actually that's the integral of a to b.

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    Three legislative branches-- municipal, state, and federal.

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    you know all those hard subjects they make you learn in highschool is not even applicable to society, it all depends on what you should pick the elective which will lead you to the career you want or a approach to it b4 you head into uni/college to do that same again.

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