So...Parker>Kobe?

[whottt]

Look...the bottom line is that Kobe has done exactly jack without Shaq...., and Shaq has done without Kobe, and he could never beat Shaq out for a finals MVP...Shaq would always take it when it was time to decide. He'd earn it too.

I am pretty sure Duncan wanted to do that too, and truthfully both he and Manu made a good charge for it...

But Parker was the guy the Cavs's could not handle this entire series...he earned that finals MVP, alongside Duncan in his prime....Kobe couldn't do that.


You may not like what I am saying, my dear LakerFan...but you better get used to it, because you are going to be hearing it more, not less. I been backing Parker a long time...and he always makes me look smart.

[Infamous]

Look...the bottom line is that Kobe has done exactly jack without Shaq...., and Shaq has done without Kobe, and he could never beat Shaq out for a finals MVP...Shaq would always take it when it was time to decide. He'd earn it too.

I am pretty sure Duncan wanted to do that too, and truthfully both he and Manu made a good charge for it...

But Parker was the guy the Cavs's could not handle this entire series...he earned that finals MVP, alongside Duncan in his prime....Kobe couldn't do that.


You may not like what I am saying, my dear LakerFan...but you better get used to it, because you are going to be hearing it more, not less. I been backing Parker a long time...and he always makes me look smart.

oh yea..because Duncan is as DOMINANT as Shaq on the OFFENSIVE end..right. if you have the highest scoring average in the finals you're pretty much gonna get it at least 90% of the time..if Parker had the same Shaq during the Lakers threepeat, Shaq would have WENT OFF on the Cavaliers probably averaging 30 and 20 on em and would have taken the Finals MVP EASILY..seriously who would have stopped him? Varejao? Big Z? gimme a break..

and you still didn't name some times where Parker stepped up in OT where Duncan fouled out and you didnt name a time where Parker hit a game winning shot..

Kobe>Parker..clearly you do not see it.

and did you just say "and Shaq has done without Kobe"?

Shaq won a championship without Kobe..

damn why even waste my time arguing with someone who makes ridiculous biased comments and can't even get his facts straight.

[whottt]

27ppg on 57%>39ppg on 39%

[Johnny RIngo]

Yeah 2006 MVP belonged to Kobe, averagaing 35.4 points and taking a young team into the playoffs..they lost in seven games but if Dirk can get it and get upset in the first round..then why not Kobe? MVP is a regular season award anyway.

clearly this whottts guy is the only guy who has his head stuck up so far Tony Parkers ass he cant admit Kobe>Parker easily.

Kobe's 2006 season was MVP worthy. The rape/scandal/trial is what held him back from winning it though. The NBA preferred to go with the nice-guy image with Nash despite Kobe being far more talented than the Canadian. Nash is really nothing more than a product of the Suns gimmick system. Replace Nash with Kobe and the Suns are a of a lot more dangerous. Better offensively and defensively.

[whottt]

and did you just say "and Shaq has done without Kobe"?

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Yes...as in contrast to, Kobe hasn't done without Shaq...


Do you get it LakerFan? Or do you continue to be proud of yourself for the self assking you just dealt?


Stick to the 80 point game and the string of 50 games...those are about the only thing Kobe's done that Parker hasn't.

[romain.star]

parker is my favorite player (with manu) but hey... it's just pointless to compare tony and kobe...

[whottt]

Teams that win 40 games don't produce MVP's....if they had given Kobe that MVP, the first round ass kicking he got would have compounded the one Dirk got this year...thus turning the MVP into an even bigger joke than it has become.


And Steve Nash is good btw....I gurantee you that if he snapped his fingers he'd have about 300 more NBA players begging to play with him than Kobe would.

[Infamous]

Yes...as in contrast to, Kobe hasn't done without Shaq...


Do you get it LakerFan? Or do you continue to be proud of yourself for the self assking you just dealt?


Stick to the 80 point game and the string of 50 games...those are about the only thing Kobe's done that Parker hasn't.

even your fellow Spurs fans are saying its pointless to compare the two. you even know it, you keep ignoring half of what I'm saying and choosing to respond to one thing because everything I say is right and theres nothing you can say to it without making yourself look stupid like you've been doing.

Kobe>Parker unless your more in love with Parker than Eva Longoria is..then yea you might think Parker>Kobe..which is you.

[Infamous]

Teams that win 40 games don't produce MVP's....if they had given Kobe that MVP, the first round ass kicking he got would have compounded the one Dirk got this year...thus turning the MVP into an even bigger joke than it has become.


And Steve Nash is good btw....I gurantee you that if he snapped his fingers he'd have about 300 more NBA players begging to play with him than Kobe would.

the MVP is a regular season award. the playoffs has nothing to do with it. damn you don't know about the NBA do you..

[whottt]

even your fellow Spurs fans are saying its pointless to compare the two.

I'm smarter than they are...you don't realize it now, but you will in a few years when you've had this argument shoved thoroughly up your azzz and realize I was the first one that presented it to you.

you even know it, you keep ignoring half of what I'm saying and choosing to respond to one thing because everything I say is right and theres nothing you can say to it without making yourself look stupid like you've been doing.

Kobe>Parker unless your more in love with Parker than Eva Longoria is..then yea you might think Parker>Kobe..which is you.

What exactly has Kobe done without Shaq?
And Parker has the award that trumps All NBA, ALL NBA D etc(and I bet Kobe would agree with that, since he basically ran Shaq from LA under the misguided belief he would win one without him).

[Johnny RIngo]

Teams that win 40 games don't produce MVP's....if they had given Kobe that MVP, the first round ass kicking he got would have compounded the one Dirk got this year...thus turning the MVP into an even bigger joke than it has become.

I don't see anything wrong with Kobe winning it. He had a great season and was easily the most dominant offensive player that year(something you can't say about either Dirk or Nash).

And Steve Nash is good btw....I gurantee you that if he snapped his fingers he'd have about 300 more NBA players begging to play with him than Kobe would.

Nash tainted the MVP award. Not once but twice. Can't even play defense.

[whottt]

the MVP is a regular season award. the playoffs has nothing to do with it. damn you don't know about the NBA do you..

Sure I do...I know for instance...how many times the regular season MVP has been bounced in the first round...

[Infamous]

I'm smarter than they are...you don't realize it now, but you will in a few years when you've had this argument shoved thoroughly up your azzz and realize I was the first one that presented it to you.





What exactly has Kobe done without Shaq?
And Parker has the award that trumps All NBA, ALL NBA D etc(and I bet Kobe would agree with that, since he basically ran Shaq from LA under the misguided belief he would win one without him).

Kobe never ran Shaq out of L.A, it was revealed that Kobe went to Jerry Buss and told him to hang onto Shaq, but Buss didnt want to pay Shaq all that money and he decided he'd rather keep Kobe over Shaq. Kobe wanted Shaq to stay, he just didnt try to enforce it. you don't know anything, once again you've made yourself look dumb. you arent any smarter than anyone at these forums.

[romain.star]

[QUOTE=whottt]I'm smarter than they are...you don't realize it now, but you will in a few years when you've had this argument shoved thoroughly up your azzz and realize I was the first one that presented it to you. QUOTE]



Whott is funny and i love him

GO FINLEY GO

[whottt]

I don't see anything wrong with Kobe winning it. He had a great season and was easily the most dominant offensive player that year(something you can't say about either Dirk or Nash).

You mean aside from the fact that Nash's team beat Kobe's....the year Kobe didn't miss the playoffs I mean...

Nash tainted the MVP award. Not once but twice. Can't even play defense.

Nash makes his teamates better...Kobe doesn't. End of argument.



If you put Nash on the Lakers...they'd be a better team with Nash...if you put Kobe on the Suns, they wouldn't. I don't care how good Kobe's D is. Lakers actually started out pretty good without Kobe this year....I don't know if the Suns have won a game Nash has missed in the last 3 years.

[whottt]

Kobe never ran Shaq out of L.A, it was revealed that Kobe went to Jerry Buss and told him to hang onto Shaq, but Buss didnt want to pay Shaq all that money and he decided he'd rather keep Kobe over Shaq. Kobe wanted Shaq to stay, he just didnt try to enforce it. you don't know anything, once again you've made yourself look dumb. you arent any smarter than anyone at these forums.

LMAO...

Yeah...because Kobe was opting out, and he wanted Shaq, and they told him no.

Got it...you're a sharp one.

[Infamous]

Tony actually has stepepd up in OT's without Duncan, and he has hit game winners.

still waiting..

[Johnny RIngo]

You mean aside from the fact that Nash's team beat Kobe's....the year Kobe didn't miss the playoffs I mean...

Nash makes his teamates better...Kobe doesn't. End of argument.

Nash has much better teammates: 2 other all stars, a defensive first team player, 6th man of the year, etc. He plays on a stacked team. Kobe's got Odom and a bunch of scrubs.

If you put Nash on the Lakers...they'd be a better team with Nash...if you put Kobe on the Suns, they wouldn't. I don't care how good Kobe's D is. Lakers actually started out pretty good without Kobe this year....I don't know if the Suns have won a game Nash has missed in the last 3 years.

Nash is overrated. He was an above average point guard on Dallas. Nothing's changed except the system. D'Antoni's gimmick Euroball has worked wonders for Nash's career though. He got two undeserved MVPs out of it. I'd love to see Nash try to get 11 apg passing it to the brick masters on the Lakers. Half those players can't even make open shots.

[LA24]

First off, congrats on the championship.

2nd...Tony Parker is of a player.

But c'mon...he's not better than Kobe.
Ask any of the other 28 GM's in the League and
they'll take Kobe over Tony Parker. , they'll probably
even take Kobe over Tony + Gino.

Kobe hasn't done crap w/out Shaq you say. Well,
Parker wouldn't even be in the playoffs w/out Duncan.

Put Parker on this year's Lakers team and they don't
even get into the playoffs. Put Kobe on the Spurs and he'd
probably get Finals MVP as well.

Also this 2007 Cavs are the WORST team to ever play
in the NBA finals. <It was a cakewalk for Tony>

And get back to me when Parker can lock a man down
on defense and also kill him on offense...and do that
consistently.

Once again...congrats on the 4th le.

[LA24]

still waiting..

....crickets chirping...

[whottt]

still waiting..

Because posting it will change your mind, right?

[Infamous]

Because posting it will change your mind, right?

saying a player did something when they've never done it is dumb..

[whottt]

It's alright Lakerfans...I am just busting the cherry on this argument.

I applaud you both for still following basketball this late into the season..ya'll def aren't bandwaggoners if you are still diehard LA fans after the past few years, and still talking basketball this late in the season.

Just be prepared though...this argument is going to be had more frequently in the ensuing years.

Main reason being...it's a of a lot easier to compare Parker to Kobe than it is to compare Kobe and Duncan or Shaq and Kobe etc...

[whottt]

Me?

I remember the first two games of the 04 WCSF...

When Kobe Bryant, Manu, Duncan, Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton were all on the same court...

And Parker was the best player on the floor...so good that he accomplished the unheard of and actually pulled a double team on a pg out of Phil Jackson for the first time I can ever remember....and that, more than anything any other players did...was what swung that series back into LA's favor.

Just be ready...Parker's scoring at that high PCT is an extremely powerful weapon. There's a reason the coaches keep putting him on the AS team.

[LA24]

Because posting it will change your mind, right?

Not really, because Kobe has done it much much more times, and in critical playoff game situations.

Plus there's not one NBA player, coach, gm, and nba fan (outside of SA) that would think Parker is a better player. This alone should seal the deal.