After the last few offseasons, I'm seriously beginning to question if Donnie is the right man for this job. I haven't seen him make a solid move since big poppa Nellie left.
If Oberto doesn't opt out the Spurs could add a nice piece this offseason. And then there are their international prospects, their 3 draft picks, and White and Butler.Mavs and Suns are going to be wailing on each other all next year. Spurs will be under the radar again.
Nellie left because he couldn't bear coaching a team without his mancrush Nash. I thought turning Jamison into Harris and Stack was a good move. But last year's offseason ended up being disastrous - Buck and George were complete nonen ies against the Warriors. Would love to see Desmond Mason come in here for the MLE. He's the athletic wing we were missing against Golden State, he can post guys up, he's a good perimeter defender and we wouldn't be playing 4 on 5 on offense with him out there.
Yu right I'm sorry. Must be the T-bird.
I will never discount Dallas. They are really a nightmare for SPURS. They may be only 1 player short of Championship and I am sure someone like R Lewis will be willing to join them at lower salary for 1 year knowing that he can sign a higher $ contract later. But sometimes real champion need to show some class, from owner to players.
I wouldn't look to much into it. It's basically the same as coach's speak. I really think he's lying through his teeth.
This is a weak free-agent class and their cap situation is ed anyway with $23 million in dead money due to Finley and Bradley next year. Next offseason they should be in much better shape to add somebody useful. I don't think this is the offseason to "blow it up" anyway. Howard is on the upward arc of his career, Dirk is in his prime and Harris can't be labeled a bust yet. Whether they want to or not, they're probably going to have to bring this team back intact for one more season. I think that's the right move anyway, due to the cap and for being patient. The first round flameout against Golden State is disappointing, caveat about being a regular season team only, but you don't go to the Finals, beat the Spurs and win 67 games if you're chopped liver. That said, they're still not a le team and mere cosmetic changes at the edges aren't going to do the trick.
Pop is probably still hung over, if not drunk, from last night.
there is no question who the real team to beat is. Pop just doesnt want to seem y.
however the Mavs are a scary team. but they are wildly unpredictable. they showed crazy heart and guts against the Spurs in the series last year and played their best ball in the series after against Phoenix. but then against Miami and Golden State they completely collapse. if the Spurs dont win a le, id like to see them do it, to make the rivalry "complete" but they are a mystery
Barring injuries, if they bring this team back, all that is guaranteed is 55+ wins and a top four seed. Beyond that, who knows? They've taken a back seat in the eyes of the League respect-wise after flaming out against the Warriors but they've shown what they're capable of.
HHAHA talk about collective confidence. Your overrated Detroit team got owned by James and his JV gang lol. It's no secret what the mavs did this postseason, but if you look at the past 2-3 years we haven't been able to beat the warriors even in the regular season. For some reason we don't match up well with them at all, just like the mavs give you problems, they give problems to the mavs. I honestly knew we were in big trouble before the series even started.Without significant personnel changes, Dallas will be lucky to secure a top 4 playoff seed next year. Their collective confidence is very fragile right now. I would consider Phoenix more so the team to beat if it's not the Spurs.
Our confidence is fine though, as long as Avery doesn't mess with his own team before the other team gets a chance to... Detroit's overrated, they are on a weak conference and that's why the get to the conference finals every year just to get owned by the crappiest team ever to make the finals, lmao I'm worried about detroit lol.
Spurs and Mavs are the 2 teams to beat next year, especially if Marion gets traded (wouldn't that help SA and Dallas big time!). Book it, phoenix will never win a le with this team, or even go to the finals. The West is Dallas's and San Antonio's to lose.
Okay, so several thoughts come to my mind:
(1) Spurs don't match up well with the Mavs
(2) Mavs potentially can beat the Spurs, due to matchups
(3) Mavs have in fact beaten the Spurs in the playoffs in a 7 game series
However,
(4) If Mavs couldn't beat Golden State in the first round, they probably couldn't have beaten this Spur team either
(5) The loss to the Heat and the way that they lost, followed by this first round disappearance does not lead one to think that the Mavs are on the elevator going up
(6) The Mavs had been motivated by not having beaten the Spurs, thus beating the Spurs in 06 in the playoffs; Then, the Mavs were motivated by having lost 4 straight to the Heat, they responded by having the best regular season in their history.
How now brown cow? They already gave their best response to a disappointing finish and it didn't lead to post regular season success.
(7) The Spurs are the better team. The Spurs defense is much better, clearly the best in the NBA. The Spurs offense is much better, balanced, Duncan spaces the floor. The Spurs trio is better than the Mavs trio.
So, in ordinary years, without that motivation of never having beaten them, Spurs are definitely the favorites going in to the series. In fact, the Spurs are the ones who want revenge.
In the Immortal Words of Sir Charles Barkley, "The Mavs can't beat the Spurs; the Spurs are the best team in the NBA!".
Let the truth be told.
Of course, maybe the Mavs could add Ron Artest, and that would really fix things... punks.
And the simple truth is that the Mavs have no chance whatsoever at beating the Suns, the second best team in the NBA.
It'll never, ever happen.
That's just the way things are.
Suns are an improved version of Golden State.
End of story.
How can Dallas be the team to beat when they already got beat in 2006 and 2007? Pop is a genius. You can lock in another championship for us next year already.
huh?So, in ordinary years, without that motivation of never having beaten them, Spurs are definitely the favorites going in to the series. In fact, the Spurs are the ones who want revenge.
So last year never happened?The Mavs can't beat the Spurs;
Not disputing that.the Spurs are the best team in the NBA!".
And the Nuggets, Jazz was hard....the Mavs and the Suns..........and about Detroit?
Miami is done?
Kobe.....LA,
Arenas would be there.......
Back to back is our achilles' heel....
Enjoy the fourth....and hope!
Anyway GO SPURS GO
With all due respect, that's stupid and insipid. The desire to win doesn't begin and end with the Spurs.No, last year was an anomaly based upon certain conditions that are no longer true (one of which was that the Mavs were extremely motivated because they had never beaten the Spurs in a 7 game series
Caveats apply about the diff. btwn regular season and playoffs, but the Mavs responded as well as one possibly could to the Finals debacle. They lost to Golden State because of bad coaching, no perimeter defense and nobody able to hit open shots when Dirk was swarmed with double and triple teams. Harris and Terry give you guys fits with Jet's outside shooting and Harris's ability to get to the rim. Against Golden State they give up a lot of size on defense to Davis and Richardson. The Sonics made the Finals with the very same team that got ousted by Denver, so let's hold off on the psychological projection, shall we? Predictions about next year are essentially pointless. Barring injuries, if the Mavs are brought back intact, they'll win 55+ games and get a top four seed. Beyond that, who knows.two Mavs confidence was high (but then the Heat and the Warriors got rid of that),
I've had plantar fasciitis, it's something you can play on, and I didn't have the Spurs medical staff giving me round the clock treatment. After 82 games in late May, ALL regulars are dealing with aches and pains, the Spurs weren't the only team in that series banged up. And Duncan put up a 32 and 13 against Dallas in that series, don't give me this horse about how limited he was in effectiveness against us. That's about as well as he can play. Dallas gives San Antonio problems because it's a pick your poison kind of deal: Put Bowen on Dirk and you have nobody to guard Howard. Put Bowen on Howard and Duncan/Oberto has to follow Dirk out to the high post away from the basket. There's an X's and O's reason why your defense sucks against us.Spurs defense wasn't as good because Tim's lateral movement wasn't as good because of pf.
Yeah, a Game 7 win on the road against the defending champs, no big thang. So the Spurs choked then, or can we give Dallas credit for not folding?06 did happen. They did manage to squeak out a win after being down 3 with 30 seconds left in game 7 on the road after beginning with a 3-1 lead
Compared to what? The Mavs? Mavs were a young, inexperienced team that played no defense.But, in 03 the Spurs were better.
Compared to what? The Mavs? Mavs were a young, inexperienced team that played no defense.In 04, the Spurs were better.
Compared to what? The Mavs? Mavs were a somewhat older, somewhat more experienced team that played not much defense.In 05, the Spurs were better.
Oh really? Parker, Manu, TD all played and played well in our series. Which important contributor missed PT in that series?In 06, the Spurs were injured.
I don't think Dallas would've beaten San Antonio this year, but that has more to do with burning themselves out by playing the entire regular season in a fifth-gear frenzy. The X's and O's matchup problems we present are still there.In 07, the Spurs were better (hard to argue that the Mavs were the better team given their loss to the Warriors).
The pattern I see is that Dallas is a much better team than the one that met San Antonio in 2001, a much better team than the one that met San Antonio in 2003, and about on par with the one that beat San Antonio in 2006. This pattern you speak of is about as relevant as comparing the Spurs teams that finally toppled the Lakers with the ones that got their asses handed to them in 2001 and 2002. Dallas did to San Antonio what San Antonio did to LA -- they went back to the drawing board, learned from their asskicking and got better.I see a pattern. Do you?
The 2006 Mavs were a much better team than the 2001 or 2003 Mavs and prevailed for a reason.06 is called an anomaly, with a perfect storm colliding to produce the abnormality.
In total candor, of course, the Spurs have some chance to beat the Mavs. The Spurs have earned the right to have a potential matchup against Dallas be considered a tossup.In total candor, of course, the Mavs have some chance to beat the Spurs (although I really just don't believe that they can beat the Suns); however, it appears very improbable to me. The Spurs have earned the status of definitive favorite in a playoff series against the Mavs.
Fixed it for you.
Mavs exited first round against Golden State after folding in finals.
Spurs won it all.
If you can't admit that Spurs have earned the right, as champions, to be considered the prohibitive favorite, then you aren't being honest with yourself or other posters and there isn't any point in talking with you.
It's like trying to have a science discussion with a member of the flat earth society.
Here's a link for ya: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm
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I'd love a rematch with the Mavs.
Why didn't that happen this year?
07-08 we will be back better and stronger
Of course they were extremely motivated. And they would've been extremely motivated had the two teams met this year. That has no bearing on who would prevail. It's akin to the line of reasoning that says the Heat got mad about hearing about leaked parade plans. "Oh, we weren't planning on winning the series, but now that they're planning a parade, we're going to go ahead and give 100%." WTF?If you don't think that they were extremely motivated against the Spurs in the 06 playoffs because they hadn't beaten them, you're kidding yourself.
My point was that they responded the only way that would've been deemed acceptable: not coasting through the regular season. If they had gone 44-38 as part of some post-finals hangover, they would've been slammed as being psychologically damaged.that is true if and only if your way of responding is by having great regular season success.
Several months off is the only thing that makes the pain go away. It's not an injury that you can aggravate or make worse, which is why the Spurs didn't sit him for a couple weeks. Like I said, I've never seen him play better than h did in that series.Yes, he did play on it. On the other hand, only several months in a row off of it were going to enable him to really recover from it, as commentators consistently pointed out
Of course, which is why I consider a matchup between those two teams a tossup. If they played 100 times, the split would probably be 50-50 or 51-49.On this point, I must completely agree with you. That is why I feared Dallas in the past. Your point about the matchups is well taken and I agree that this does present a problem. On the other hand, we present problems for you as well.
There was no way the Spurs were going out in five games. Terry was not available for G6 and the Spurs packed the lane against Harris. It's no shame to lose two straight games to the Spurs.You think that this is a convincing way to show your superiority? Blow a 3-1 lead and find yourselves down down 3 in game 7 with 30 seconds left?
I wasn't disputing Spurs superiority prior to 2006. I'm arguing that as of last season on, the two teams are pretty much evenly matched.Our evidence to show our superiority consists in 3 of the last 5 NBA les, and in beating you in years other than in 06.
Ginobili played at a high level in the Dallas series. He pretty much won Game 6 for you all by himself. He's always been an up and down performer.They played the minutes. Manu and Tim were at 70 % or less. That's pretty common knowledge.
Now the homer glasses are making you sound ridiculous. I agree that had the two teams met in late May of 2007, the Spurs would've prevailed, because one team was burned out and the other was humming along and playing up to their capabilities. But a cakewalk? A sweep? Please. We won the last playoff series, we took the season series 3-1, and you're seriously arguing that the Spurs would roll in a noncompe ive cakewalk?In total candor, of course, the Spurs have a better than 75-25 chance to beat the Mavs. The Spurs have earned the right to have a potential matchup against Dallas be considered a cakewalk.
If you can't admit that Spurs have earned the right, as champions, to be considered the prohibitive favorite, then you aren't being honest with yourself or other posters and there isn't any point in talking with you.
I just said repeatedly that I believe San Antonio would've won a playoff series this year, and of course going into next year, barring injuries and a roster shakeup, they'll be favored to repeat. But if Dallas comes back next year intact and the two teams meet in the playoffs, it's a tossup, and the outcome will have to do with who has the momentum and who is playing the best ball at the moment. If you keep insisting that the Spurs would roll "in a cakewalk," then you are the one not being honest and further dialogue is pointless. I honestly don't get it. Losing to Golden State was an upset, but Richardson missed 30 games, Davis missed 19, and they had a major talent upgrade with the Jax/Harrington trade. The talent level of the two teams made it more akin to a second-round matchup than a 1 vs. 8 series. They were 26-35 on March 4 and with the new roster and everybody healthy, they went 16-5 down the stretch with lots of wins over playoff teams. And they present the same kind of matchup problems we do to San Antonio. Jeezus, you make it sound like the Mavs are no better than the Celtics or Bobcats. Take off the hater glasses and try to be rational.
a rational, non-homer Spurs fans. Kudos to you and Congratulations on the newest addition to the trophy case.
expect terry to be traded and they will be heavily shopping dampier.
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