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    That does look like a great interview. Even with a babelfish translation.
    Working on a proper translation...it'll be ready in some time.

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    INTERSTING READ from back in 2005.

    Montachicca!



    Bulls' Nocioni and Spurs' Ginobili, Oberto could be first Argentine trio to play in same NBA game

    11/07/2005

    Johnny Ludden
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    CHICAGO — Andres Nocioni, like many international players transitioning to the NBA, struggled during his first two months with the Chicago Bulls last season.

    His English, though improving, wasn't great. His wife and newborn baby were living thousands of miles away and his new team was still enduring some growing pains of its own.

    So Nocioni sought advice from one of the few people who could relate: friend and countryman Manu Ginobili. The two spoke by phone a handful of times before dining together at an Argentine steakhouse when the Spurs visited Chicago last December.

    The only question was who would pick up the tab.

    "It's supposed to be the home guy who pays, but last time he invited me and didn't pay," Ginobili said. "We'll make him this time."

    Ginobili and Nocioni couldn't get together Sunday, but when they do, the Spurs guard will have muscle with him: rookie forward Fabricio Oberto, the sixth and most recent member of Argentina's gold-medal winning team to play in the NBA.

    Tonight's meeting between the Spurs and Bulls — barring a sudden change in either team's rotation — will be the first time three Argentine players have shared the floor in an NBA game.

    "I never think this could happen," said Alejandro Montecchia, the veteran point guard of Argentina's history-making team in Athens last summer. "Argentina basketball is growing fast, like, 'boom!'"

    Nocioni's stunning dunk over Kevin Garnett in the 1999 Olympic qualifying tournament served notice Argentine basketball was on the rise.

    The explosion culminated last summer when Argentina beat the United States for the second time in three years before defeating Italy for the gold medal.

    "I think we still don't take the reality of this medal," Montecchia said. "I always dream to play in the Olympics. To play. But to take the gold medal ...."

    Argentina's selfless, energetic style of play was considered a victory for basketball purists everywhere. Though Nocioni is not as daring a passer as Ginobili or Oberto, he — like most of his Argentine teammates — is just as relentless.

    "The thing I can't figure out is how there can be so many of them on the same team with that kind of passion," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "You can look at every other team — I don't care what country you look at — and it's not the same. Serbia imploded this year in the qualifying tournament, and they have talent.

    "I just think it's a phenomenon you're probably not going to see again."

    In addition to Ginobili, Nocioni, Oberto and Carlos Delfino, who is beginning his second season with Detroit, Argentine point guard Pepe Sanchez and center Ruben Wolkowyski played briefly in the NBA. Forward Luis Scola, a second-round draft pick of the Spurs, figures to be the next provided he can free himself from his contract with Spanish power Tau Ceramica.

    If Popovich had his way, half the Spurs' roster would be filled with Argentines. The Spurs wanted to draft Nocioni but thought he was ineligible after a former international scout provided an incorrect birth date for him. They also looked hard at signing Montecchia, 33, a few seasons ago.

    Montecchia is tough, "and he shoots it from everywhere," Popovich said. "They'd all be here right now if I could get them out of their contracts, but I couldn't do it."


    That includes Scola, who once again is dominating in Spain. The Spurs intended to sign him this summer until it became apparent he wouldn't be able to resolve his contract's $14.5 million buyout clause.

    Scola's contract lasts three seasons, and the Spurs haven't given up hope Tau's owners will reduce the buyout before it expires. At the end of the deal, he can leave for $1 million. The Spurs also have considered trading Scola's rights, though any team interested in him probably is going to want assurances he'll be able to get out of his contract.


    Only recently have NBA teams become more willing to spend the money needed to bring over top international players, including those from Latin America. Oberto had to wait until he was 30 — he's the fifth-oldest NBA rookie ever — to get an offer large enough to warrant giving up the money he was making in Spain.

    "Manu has changed everything," Nocioni said this summer in Buenos Aires.

    The success of Argentina's national team is rooted in the players' familiarity with each other. The core has played together for at least nine years. Montecchia, though older, also grew up in Ginobili's hometown of Bahia Blanca.

    "Off of the court, we are all friends," said Montecchia, who came off the bench to score 17 points in 17 minutes in the gold-medal game. "That's very important because on the court you can play more easy. No one is selfish."

    Ginobili considered retiring from the national team after the Olympics. The annual summer-long commitment along with the rigors of an NBA season began to wear on him.

    But the break he was afforded after the Spurs' most recent championship — winning the Olympics guaranteed Argentina a berth in the 2006 World Championships — has rejuvenated him enough that he hopes to represent his country in Japan in August.

    "Now, I feel like after one year off I want to do it again," Ginobili said. "But it's hard to play every year, especially when you play with a team like (the Spurs). If I was playing on a team that doesn't make the playoffs and you have four months off, it's all right. But here we have more than 100 games a year."

    Oberto said he is unsure whether he will play in the World Championships. Montecchia has retired from the national team.

    "Maybe in three or four months I change my mind," Montecchia said, "but I don't think so."

    For now, Montecchia's career is on hold. After missing much of his Spanish team's schedule with a knee injury last season, he is unsigned. He spent the past two weeks visiting Ginobili and Oberto in San Antonio.


    Tuesday's season-opening victory over Denver was the first time he had seen any of his countrymen play in the NBA.

    "I almost cried," he said. "Ten years ago I thought the NBA was not possible for any Argentina player.

    "Watching Manu, for me, was incredible. I was proud."

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    I disagree that Vaughn should be back. If the Spurs settle with this guy as their backup PG then we'll regret it. He worked as a stopgap, but thats about all he had to give. We need to find someone who can actually play some decent offense and defense.

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    Ok, here's my shot at the Pop interview.

    “I hope we take the team to Argentina soon”


    Gregg Popovich, San Antonio’s head coach admitted his appreciation for our national team.

    SAN ANTONIO – The praise to argentine basketball from Gregg Popovich keeps growing. He has already become a dangerous admirer for our pride. He’s the most successful coach in the last decade in any professional sport in the United States, so his concepts, reflections and analysis on argentine basketball give his words even more weight.

    He repeated that “Manu is the strongest compe or I’ve ever met in my 30 years working as a coach”, as he said to LA NACIÓN two years ago, and also that he and Fabricio Oberto are great human beings (or something like that, he says they’re cool, lol).

    The interview, actually, started going around his other passion, wines. “I have over 1050 bottles back home, and some more in an apartment, which I’m the only one with access. I buy a new kind of wine in every town I visit. I did in Argentina, too”.

    - The Spurs have visited The Virgin Islands (Duncan) and France (Parker). When it’s the Argentina turn?

    - When the NBA says so. I’d like to go. I know the country and I’d love to go back. Unlike other franchises, the Spurs enjoy those trips and we always try to fulfil when the league asks us to go somewhere. Particularly, I like visiting countries. I wish we can take the team to Argentina soon.

    - Are you satisfied with Oberto’s performance?

    - He’s had a terrific behaviour in every sense. He doesn’t do star stuff, but he makes his job perfectly. Besides, Tim likes to play with Fabricio alongside him; they understand each other very well. He adapted to the Spurs very quickly and he is part of the family, a brilliant person who loves to be around his people. Last season, he was benched a lot of time, but he made a quick experience out of it, learnt all the details and now he’s shown it. He’s a very smart player and a worker.

    - What happened in the first quarter of the fourth game that you were extremely critic towards Manu?

    - Who said that?

    - Manu told me.

    - That can’t be truth (gets serious)

    - But it was seen on T.V., too

    - Ohhh, what a pity! (Laughter). Simply because he wasn’t where he was supposed to be, he wasn’t controlling the time of his game. Mentally he was out of place. Sometimes he isn’t happy; he feels that because of his subs ute role, he has to do everything well and quickly as soon as he steps on the court. He’s so compe ive that he wants to contribute right away. He has to know that the Spurs play better when he is on the court, that’s it.

    - Anyway, you hugged each other at the end of the game.

    - Oh, yes, I told him how much I appreciate him.

    - Did you ask him to miss the Pre-Olympic Tournament with the national team?

    - Manu has already given everything to his national team and his country. We invested a lot of money in him and we need him to get some rest. We’ve paid a lot for him to become a Spur and we need him rested. And Argentina is going to qualify anyway. A different situation is Tony Parker, who will play for France, because he is 25, and has a lot less miles spent in the engine. When he is 30 we’ll tell him the same that we’ve told Manu now. I’ve said! (Hits the table with his fist and laughs).

    - Will you let him go to the Olympics?

    - Absolutely.

    - The NBA has asked to the different franchises that they don’t suggest to their players that they missed their international duty.

    - We can say what we think about the issue and the player is free to decide, has the right to go with his national team, that’s the deal.

    - How is your relationship with Manu?

    - I don’t get along with his jokes (laughs). We have an excellent relationship, he comes to my house for dinner, we live in the same neighbourhood and Many (Manu’s wife) exchanges cooking tips with my wife, and they watch the games together when we’re out of town.

    - Do you plan returning to Argentina?

    - Yes, of course, but I don’t think it’ll happen this year. This summer I’m going to Paris, to Tony’s wedding, then to Turkey, I love walking in the streets of Istanbul, and then I’m going to visit the former Yugoslavia. Vlade Divac invited me to his basketball museum in Belgrade.

    - What are the similarities between the Spurs and the Argentine National Team?

    - Lots. Half of their players (laughs). I know their game, their coach, and we’ve taken some things of their offensive playbook. The fact that we have Manu and Fabricio helps those things. We spoke about it too. I’ve always liked your style and the spirit of your players. We even wanted to bring some more, like Alejandro Montecchia.

    - Well, now Nocioni is a free agent.

    - But he is really expensive, isn’t he? Anyway, we can’t talk about these things until July 1st.

    - What do you like about our National Team?

    - The heart. It has no match. The desire to win, the passion. It’s amazing. I’ve seen a lot of foreign basketball, but there isn’t a team that keeps that heart and that passion as Argentina does. Well, that why we brought Manu when he weighed 17 pounds and was skinny as a broom… If I could, I’d bring them all over here.

    It’s enough. Sergio Hernández (Argentina’s NT Coach) should offer him the assistant position. He’d come for free.

    No definition on Scola’s future.

    About the possibility of Scola arriving to the Spurs this year, the coach commented: “He can be, or not. He wants to be here, we want him to be here, but it’s a problem in his contract that I’m tired of hearing about. We’ll see what happens this year”. However, when asked about the possibility of trading his rights to another team in exchange for draft picks, he answered: “Yes, it’s probable, RC Bufford is on charge there, but so far we have received stupid offers. There’s nothing good in return”.
    Last edited by Manu'sMagicalLeftHand; 06-17-2007 at 05:48 AM.

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    Thanks so much for the translation! Great article. I also checked out some other ones on the site...I speak a bit of Spanish too.

    Just need some help with this paragraph:

    "El bahiense, como si fuese un actor de reparto, distante de los agasajados, saludó a algunos amigos que le gritaban desde la tribuna, felicitó a Parker, escuchó unas palabras que Popovich le dijo al oído ( "I love you I love you" ) y chocó bien arriba su puño con el de Fabricio Oberto, que andaba también por detrás de todos, loco de alegría. "

    it's from this article:
    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva...=rankingLeidas


    Just not sure about the Pop part...him saying "I love you" to the players? Is that what the article says?

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    I disagree that Vaughn should be back. If the Spurs settle with this guy as their backup PG then we'll regret it. He worked as a stopgap, but thats about all he had to give. We need to find someone who can actually play some decent offense and defense.
    i agree exactly


    i loved vaughn but he was just a band aid for the ineffective Beno.

    and he was great but we should bring a veteran pure scorer, or someone that can keep the pace of Parker. ala Speedy.

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    Devin Brown would be a more than adequate replacement should Finley decide to walk.

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    Thanks, Manu'sMagicalLeftHand. Very nice interview.

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    Thanks for the translation, Manu'sMagicalLeftHand and spurscenter.

    I disagree that Vaughn should be back. If the Spurs settle with this guy as their backup PG then we'll regret it. He worked as a stopgap, but thats about all he had to give. We need to find someone who can actually play some decent offense and defense.
    Spurs can too decide to draft a PG and bring Vaughn back.
    If the drafted PG plays well, he gets the backup PG spot. Vaughn is a great insurance if he struggles during his rookie year or choked during the playoffs (like Beno against Detroit).

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    Pop spent the aftermath of the 2006 Playoffs talking about his team's need for a Derrick McKey-type player. The Spurs still don't have that sort of guy in the fold, and I wonder to what extent finding that sort of a guy is still a priority.

    It's a difficult call, I think: with the age of the role players on this roster, the need to turn things over is becoming more and more pressing with each passing year; but if you turn the roster over, do you take away the club's championship mettle by removing role players who seem to find ways to be effective in big moments?

    As an aside, I'm really anxious for another summer of hearing about how Robertas Javtokas is an NBA beast waiting to happen and that the Spurs can't possibly be committed to winning without bending over and giving him whatever he wants.

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    Robertas Javtokas and Scola need to come over next year.

    Stock pile more players this draft to replace those 2 we are bringing in.

    Robertas Javtokas and Scola can contribute more than anyone drafted.

    and james White is a scorer, slasher. he will be great. Sean Elliot good.

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    then visitng vlade divac , he invited me to a basketball museum.
    Oh, that Vlade....

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    A couple names I haven't seen mentioned so far:

    Javtokas
    Sanikidze

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    A couple names I haven't seen mentioned so far:

    Javtokas
    Sanikidze

    Robertas Javtokas is gonna be great. better than oberto

    what he has done since the motorcycle accident is remarkable.

    he played with richard jefferson at arizona and went to the same HS as Lebron james

    check this videos out
    http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...vtokas&search=

    http://www.interbasket.net/players/javtokas.htm


    Javtokas has very good athletic ability, long arms and good coordination. He is a good jumper who before his injuries had a 40 inch vertical and can easily dunk in traffic. Still has to work on his technique and to improve his free-throw shooting. He can run the floor and make plays on the perimeter with his good athletic ability, nice size, and good hops. Not a bad rebounder and becoming a good defender as well.
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    I think Javtokas had his last shot at joining the Spurs last summer.

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    I think Javtokas had his last shot at joining the Spurs last summer.
    true dat.

    but if we can bring oberto this late in his career and he contribute

    i think Javtokas is gonna shine.

    he is more athletic than oberto but a combo of both of them, would be great because its 2 styles , throw in elson to the mix.

    The first choice is scola because i think his time is running out.

    Sandiske and Mahimi should ride IR this year, like butler and white did to learn nba style for 2009.

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    this looks like steve carell from the office.

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    -his price tag is going to be close to full MLE
    -isn't said to have the greatest of at udes
    -a little overrated defensively
    -is actually a dirty player
    -recently got a DUI

    Yeah, it'd take him if the price were right but he just doesn't strike me as exactly the Long Three the Spurs need.
    Yeah, the DUI probably wouldn't endear him to the Spurs.

    He's probably the closest to being the '3 who can guard perimeter oriented 4s' that Pop publicly has stated the team is looking for who the Spurs could actually acquire.

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    roster same + not a odd year= low chnace of repeating

    roster + ian =erpeat baby

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    Bowen deserves an extension as he has at least 3 good years left...all he does is play D and shoot from the corner. I really hope Finley and the Spurs can work out an extension as well. Fab played great in the playoffs and it would be dumb for him not to come back. I won't care if Brent goes as long as we bring someone near or above his caliber in to fill in.

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    I have a question for those who undestand the cap

    Can RFA be sign and trade?

    Nocioni is a RF. Can the Bulls sign him for a 5yrs starting aroun $5 and trade him for Scola and Barry?

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    I have a question for those who undestand the cap

    Can RFA be sign and trade?

    Nocioni is a RF. Can the Bulls sign him for a 5yrs starting aroun $5 and trade him for Scola and Barry?
    If Nocioni agreed to it, yes.

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    The hardest part will be finding the young Long Three that this team has needed for years. The Spurs risked it by not addressing that need last summer. Hopefully this is the summer that finally happens.
    Do you think that winning the le will make the FO not be as worried about this, thinking that the status quo can repeat?

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    Pop spent the aftermath of the 2006 Playoffs talking about his team's need for a Derrick McKey-type player. The Spurs still don't have that sort of guy in the fold, and I wonder to what extent finding that sort of a guy is still a priority.
    It should still be a priority, but the pickings are pretty slim in the FA pool. Looks like we could conceivably draft a PG and a long SF if we like what's available. I think the Spurs have been entirely too picky trying to find a guy to play what might just be more of a Danny Ferry 10mpg role.

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    It should still be a priority, but the pickings are pretty slim in the FA pool. Looks like we could conceivably draft a PG and a long SF if we like what's available. I think the Spurs have been entirely too picky trying to find a guy to play what might just be more of a Danny Ferry 10mpg role.
    I agree that it should be a priority. This team, before winning a le, wilted in 3 straight 4th quarters against the Mavericks this season and should be thanking its lucky stars for the Golden State Warriors' rise. I still think the Spurs could have beaten the Mavericks in these playoffs, but I also think that a future encounter with those guys still compels the Spurs to find ways to match up more effectively with them. This team still needs better rebounding as well as the perrenially-elusive long wing. At long last, it would seem to have some tools to be used in obtaining such players, too. I just hope that the elation over this le doesn't lead to a sense of complacency or some romanticized view of the current club.

    The best word for me in Ludden's piece is the word "may." He could have written that the Spurs "will" keep the roster intact, but he didn't.

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