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How so? You think a team would make an unprecedented deal to bring him over for more than he would make as a lottery pick? Not even Luis Scola would get that kind of money...
If he slides into the second round he's in good shape.
How so? You think a team would make an unprecedented deal to bring him over for more than he would make as a lottery pick? Not even Luis Scola would get that kind of money...
The best thing to happen to Rudy Fernandez would to not be drafted at all. Then he'd become a world wide free agent at the end of this coming season and can sign with the highest bidder.
That's why Scola was praying to not get drafted back in 2001 or whenever that was.
No salary restrictions for a second round contract. It wouldn't have to be an unprecedented deal at all.
If he were taken #28, he is set to make $730,000/year, which cannot compete with the $3M/year he can make in Europe. But if he were drafted #31, by Seattle, they could pay him much closer to the estimates for his European earnings.
The difference is only one team was clever enough to draft Scola back then - San Antonio. This year, I don't think five teams would pass on drafting Rudy Fernandez in the second round.
Only 2 teams would have to pass on Rudy for him to be available in the 2nd round for the Spurs.
No way, now how...Fernandez slips into the second.
Heck, if the Spurs land him at 28, I think Fernandez reconsiders the extension contract over in Europe.
Championship team, Spanish speaking city, Spanish speaking players, and some legit playing time....
Rudy Fernandez a Spur. You would seriously have to pinch me for me to believe it were true. Oh wait, I guess it isn't true...yet!
Well, make it happen!
Yeah I put this as one of my conspiracy theories in either this thread or another, discussing Fernandez. But I agree with Body that there are too many teams in the second round that would consider him a "value pick", even if there is a risk that he might not play for them until 2010, if ever at all.
Someone said Presti would jump all over him at #31 and I have to believe that to be true. Presuming the Sonics let Lewis go, they would have enough cap space to sign Fernandez to an above-market deal...though I still don't think it will be in the $$ range that lottery picks get.
IMO, he's such a value pick at #28 that I would have to draft him despite the risk, and hope that we could work out a deal that brings him here by 2008....but that's just me. I don't know if the Spurs value him THAT much.
From Luis Fernandez over at Draft Express .Rudy Fernández wasn’t in Treviso for the EuroCamp. Actually he was playing in the ACB playoffs trying to lead Joventut to the Finals--which he was not able to do. But we had the chance to discuss his immediate future there with his Spanish agent, Gerard Darnés.
That conversation comes extremely handy as, soon after the Treviso camp finished, one of the hottest rumors in Spain was European powerhouse Winterthur F.C.Barcelona being relatively close to sign Rudy. Those rumors have only intensified as of late. According to the newspaper Sport, Rudy would sign a multi-year deal that would pay him between 800,000 to a million Euros (1.07 to 1.36 million dollars) per year after taxes. Convert it to dollars and calculate the taxes and you will easily realize that, short-term, a first-round (and only two-year guaranteed) rookie contract in the 15-30 range has no business competing against this kind of money.
Fran Vázquez all over again?
We believe not. And of course, so does his agent. Darnés explained to us back in Treviso that Rudy wants to go to the NBA no matter what. The only doubt about it would be the timing. He has a buyout escape clause in his contract worth around 2.2 million dollars for the NBA (4 million dollars for another European team), and depending on how high he’s selected and which team picks him, would make an effort already this summer to get out of his contract to start his NBA career, even losing money in the process. Otherwise, he could also wait until his contract expires in 2008 and he becomes a free agent, meaning only one season of wait, while Joventut would lose him for nothing.
Why do we believe it? Well, Rudy is an ambitious player that already had declared for the draft a couple of years ago, and went to Chicago to workout in front of a number of NBA teams. He’s also a confident guy concerning his own possibilities as a basketball player, and we’re sure he loves the challenge that the NBA means for him.
As we discussed following the Fran Vázquez debacle two years ago, this is a common problem that the NBA will have to address at some point. Excellent international players like Rudy Fernández or Tiago Splitter—who don’t have the potential and/or the right overseas contract situation to be drafted in the lottery—are being priced out of the NBA by the rookie scale contract before they even get a chance to be drafted. As much as they might love the idea of playing in the NBA, it doesn’t make financial sense for them to give up millions of dollars over a 4-year contract to accomplish that goal if they are locked into the 20-30 portion of the draft and rookie scale.
Some NBA teams we spoke to drafting in the early twenties have enough doubts about their ability to ever be able to bring them over that they might pass on them altogether, allowing them to fall to the second round. This would actually be an ideal situation for Fernández and Splitter, as they wouldn’t be locked into the rookie scale contract anymore and would be able to negotiate a contract right out of their new team’s mid-level exception.
The NBA is too big of a draw for international talents to ignore. Ginobili is a great example. If you have the talent to make it in the NBA, you will get paid. I don't really see this as a problem.
What about Scola? Well the problem for him all along has been his Tau buyout.
Partly. He'd be here already, maybe two years already, if the Spurs hadn't 'trapped' him into not coming over.
Hmmm...perhaps, but with a $13.5 mil buyout that would mean a NBA team would have to offer him a contract that would allow him to cover that and make his 'true worth'. How many NBA teams would dole out, say $30 mil for an unproven international prospect?
Then again, someone gave Adonal Foyle and Brian Cardinal each $40 million.
Ok, I said "maybe two years already". He'd be here (in the league) since last summer if he had been a free agent.
Right, but to make the step to the NBA he'd have to give Tau $13.5 mil. If Fernandez falls to the 2nd round and some NBA team uses their leverage to sign him to a small contract, then at least he can go over that hurdle and eventually get paid.
Is it $13.5M? I'm not sure it was that much last summer. This summer it's either $3M or $1M. Next summer, nothing.
At one point it was reported as being $13.5 mil last summer. I recall that because for a while it was thought that it was $3 mil. Maybe it was Scola's agent making it up, but I thought someone from the Spurs' FO confirmed it was that high.
Manu´s draft steal was a long long time ago,since the spurs have been pulling those moves in the draft and winning a championship every other year all GMs know what´s going on outside the U.S
My guess Rudy will be picked in the 1st round.
Scola´s buyout this year is about 3.5 M I belive,not sure though.
But Tau will deal for less $ this year.
I´d say it´ll be around 2M.and the spurs can pay 700 K towards that.
Sure, Manu has helped to give credibility to international talents, but the NBA is still a business and if a team has leverage they will use it.
You have to make a mental adjustment and realize the NBA is up against Euro teams that are also able to offer (relatively) big bucks and are smart enough to tie up young players early with contracts that prevent easy pickin's by NBA teams.
Anyone who thinks a player is gonna give up a million or two just to play in the NBA is crazy--or the player who'd do that is. NBA prestige can only impress so far, then money talks and bull walks.
that's the natural replacement for Manu. Not THAT talented but mor athletic.
Rudy is pick that should be done from Spurs if they have any chance!
question to you all.is there a legal tool for the int´l or Domestics players to legally stop the NBA drafting them if they dont want to????
I´m saying this coze Fernandez can become a free agent next year,and if a team draft him and them can´t bring him over,He´ll most likely be another Scola.
Is there a legal way for the players to stop getting ed? like going to an Ordinary Judge/court or something?
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