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I like the pick. He regularly had to guard the Pac-10's best perimeter players for Lute so it's not like he doesn't have talent on that side of the ball. There were games in which both him and Chase Budinger did well together. As a Zona fan as well, it's not Williams game that I dislike, it's Ivan Radenovic's game that bothered me.
I think I'm going to go with Spurs front office over some random internet poster
He may have the body of a Bowen and White, but he's a much more fluid offensive player than both. He's also a solid rebounder for the position and has good handles.
He has the ABILITY to be a defensive specialist, but all indications are that his work ethic/at ude is suspect. Being a second round pick, thus guaranteed nothing, you might see this kid step up to the challenge...or you might see him go south.
I wonder what this means for White, as both players play similar positions and the roster is limited....
So he's too small to play the position we want. He doesnt' work hard, he turns the ball over, he can't shoot, he isn't a good athlete, and he doesn't play defense.
I'll reserve judgment for now, but it don't look shiny.
Here's a quote from DX, refuting the "bad work ethic" claim and explaining a little bit more about his strengths/weaknesses. Take it as you will....
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=546Very often we come into these private workouts feeling one way about a player’s skills or at ude, only to find out that our initial impression was very much off base. In the case of Marcus Williams, it was quite refreshing to see the work ethic he’s showing here as a player who has had about as much negativity thrown his way as anyone since exiting early from the NCAA Tournament.
Williams worked out with Jared Dudley in what was probably the most intriguing session of our time in Vegas. He was a little streaky shooting with his feet set, particularly once he got out to NBA 3-point range, but looked exceptionally good in the mid-range area creating space for himself and pulling up off the dribble. Once he’s in motion his shot seems to gain consistency, likely because of the fact that he doesn’t have as much time to the ball to the side of his head the way he does on his set shots, which gives him a very inconsistent release point, and thus a higher (and unnecessary) degree of difficulty. He seems to have very good touch regardless, though, meaning he can get into a groove and knock down a bunch of shots in a row.
In the ball-handling and one on one compe ive drills is where Williams’ skills really came out. He can create his own shot with ease thanks to his combination of crafty footwork, smooth ball-handling skills, changes of speeds and pro moves from the triple-threat position, being able to utilize multiple jabs and fakes to get his man off balance and either make his way to the rim or pull up from mid-range. He’s very long, but a bit frail and not freakishly explosive, relying heavily on his instincts and skill level to help him put the ball in the basket.
Off the court, Williams is a personable and well-spoken kid who seems to enjoy being around the NBA players here in Vegas. “That’s the biggest perk here by far, being around the pros. Players relate to players better and there is so much I can learn from a guy like Ryan Gomes.”
Once the workouts were over for the day, he was the only one to stay late and join Gomes in putting up shots from beyond the arc, and the next day he decided to come in at 8am, an hour before everyone else, to work on his shot even more.
Williams did not participate in the 5 on 5 (his agent does not want to risk an injury) and will not participate at the Orlando pre-draft camp, meaning it will be up to him at workouts to secure himself a spot in the first round. All in all, he looked considerably better than we thought he would. If he can correct his shooting mechanics to give himself a chance to develop into a solid NBA 3-point shooter, he has a very good chance to help someone out down the road. His size, length, versatility and scoring instincts at the 2-guard position aren’t something that you can find everyday in this draft.
Sounds like Chip might be tailor made able to help with this guy.If he can correct his shooting mechanics to give himself a chance to develop into a solid NBA 3-point shooter, he has a very good chance to help someone out down the road. His size, length, versatility and scoring instincts at the 2-guard position aren’t something that you can find everyday in this draft.
Can we make sure this thread doesn't get deleted for awhile???.... I wanna hold this over the head of, and laugh at all the people hating on Marcus right now when he's ballin in a couple years.... especially the ones saying he has "at ude problems"
This was one of the best picks in the draft, relative to who we got where we got him
This guy is bad ass.
I wonder that too.
Will Spurs trade one ? keep both ? cut oen before the start of the season ? Or do Spurs thinks White is a bust ?
I will be curious to see what will happen with White and Williams.
Um, you need to google "Marcus Williams At ude". Are you going to laugh at all those people? If the Spurs make this guy into a player, nobody's going to be unhappy about those reports being wrong, but they are still a concern, no?
I hope we can hang on to both for alittle while.... They both have huge potential.
I'd hate to let one go, and watch the other one become a star... or both of them become stars, or even just solid, useful bench players.
Last year I wanted White.... took a roundabout way, but we got him
This year I wanted Marcus.... got 'em!
Now lets see how good of a GM I would have been for us
You mess with White, you mess with me.
Do you feel lucky?
Nah man..... I don't get my basketball knowledge and opinions from things I read online. I base it off what I see, and what I know of the game, and I'm usually right on-point because of it.
First off, I'm a huge Arizona basketball fan. You gotta understand Lute Olsen was the problem in this situation. Marcus didn't get the PT he wanted/should have gotten as a Freshman and he let Lute know about it, and then he was in the doghouse for that last year, and AGAIN didn't see the PT he should have (and Arizona basketball paid the price, believe me). See.... some people I guess see that as an at ude problem, not me. For 1, he was 18-19 years old, best player on his team, and not being treated that way "because he was young" (Larry Brown esque). Anybody who's young, always been the best player, and a real compe ior would and should be frustrated with that. He coulda gone to another school and been a 4 year starter if he knew that was gonna be how it was. Now I love Lute Olsen, but I've been so pissed at him the last 2 years for what he's done to Marcus and the team.
I can't wait til he gets here, I think it'll be a fresh start for him. Pop and the staff are gonna do wonders in building him up as a player and mentally as a person. He's gonna be a stud for us down the line. He's a hard worker, and he is a great defender.... don't believe everything you read on here... please
We got a steal. Marcus wouldn't even of entered the draft yet, but he couldn't wait to get out of Arizona.
Even assuming we bring back everyone not named Melvin Ely, we still have room on the roster right? I don't see why we can't keep both, especially since Ely was our 6th big.
It will be kind of cool to see Marcus Williams and James White in summer league I guess. I don't know if either one of them will make it past training camp, but they aren't bad options at the end of your bench.
Ely was our 7th big.
Duncan/Oberto/Elson/Butler/Bonner/Horry/Ely
Nobody puts James White! at the end of a bench. No.
Marcus Williams and James White will be on our roster next season. White will get more PT and show he's worth being full time backup to Manu while Williams owns the D-League.
Should be interesting....
I mean, I know they have a similar build...but it seems they have two different focuses and styles.
White is a defensive-oriented player with a high-flying slasher game, while Williams is a superb ball-handler that creates his own offense from the triple-threat position....
Having noted their differences...I still wonder whether both will make this team for the 07-08 season.
Yeah, completely different focuses, that's why it will be interesting.
I don't think both would make the team unless they were simply amazing and the Spurs couldn't help but make room for them. Or maybe Barry+Beno get traded for a PG and that will open up another wingspot somehow.
So who do you put the early money on?
The guy with time on the roster/in the system...
Or, the guy with arguably more all-around talent....
The roster spot is open at the moment.
Parker - ? - Beno
Manu - Finley - Barry
Bowen - White - Williams
Duncan - Bonner? - Horry
Oberto? - Elson - Butler
It all depends on who they move this summer.
I think they are bringing Vaughn too.
You should put question marks by Williams and White too....because neither of them have a guaranteed contract for next year at the moment.
I've got both these guys making the team (especially if like Kori says, we trade Beno and Barry, then I'll almost guarantee they both make it).... James is just a freak of an athlete, and Marcus is a freak of a basketball player... both hard workers, both especially focused on improving their outside shooting, both long.... and regardless of what some under-educated people say... both play great defense, especially for their size (weight), both able to guard multiple positions because of their speed, length, and vertical.
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