Atlanta Looking To Trade A 1st Rounder?

[coachmac87]

well what about scola??? and a few picks either in this year or later drafts??? they can use a low post scorer..i just dont see marvin williams ever being a good power forward in the nba...hawks really have to realize they cant keep all of those wing players..but like i said i want salim stoudamire...he shouldnt be to hard to get

[AFBlue]

All of these Spurs-related trades to get the #3 picks are terrible for the Hawks, I wouldn't see them doing any of them. All of a sudden, Beno's some super back-up PG that just needs some playing time, and the Hawks swings all just dropped in value just because they have too many of them...

None of the available PGs right now are worth it for the Hawks, except for Billups, and he's getting up there in age. I'd rather see the Hawks sit tight and draft Conley at #3, or get Crittenton at #11 (I go to Tech, this would be awesome for me, since the Falcons couldn't get CJ, =/). Jarret Jack, Luke Ridnour I don't see as being better than Crittenton, let alone Conley in the future. I'm still unsure about Devin Harris, he'll definitely help, but in that proposed trade scenario, I feel the Hawks would be giving up too much, and I don't see the Mavs trading away their PG of the future.

Crittenton should be good in a year or two, but there's no doubt that he has the most "projectability" to being a solid point guard than the other two prospects (Conley or Law). Certainly Jack and Ridnour are more proven to this point and are solid if unspectacular. Still, I would say that the Hawks already have three solid (or almost solid) but unspectacular PGs.

I agree that the Devin Harris trade proposal was a stretch, so how's this one....

Hawks trade Josh Childress, Speedy Claxton, and #11 pick for Jason Terry. I know Terry is more of a scoring guard, but he would take some of the scoring load off of JJ and put him in more of a distributor role. It would unclog them at the wings a bit and give them a legitimate PG (albeit in a scoring role).

[coachmac87]

wow dallas would be getting alot...i hope this trade never happens...i like childress..but the only bad thing about dallas is that i dont think devin harris can run the team...actually no there is no way in he can

[lordswing]

outside of JJ, salim's their only 3pt threat. josh smith takes a bunch of 3s, but he's not that accurate. scola's a good player and all, but i don't see the money he'd cost (even if the Spurs trade the rights, he'd still have to be bought out for what, $2.5M? PLUS the salary he'd command, somewhere in the $5-8M range I bet). What PICKS do the Spurs have that would entice the Hawks? Honestly? The Spurs never have high draft picks, which would negate the whole deal, since the Spurs don't have any picks in the teens, nor the veterans that the Hawks so desire (I see Horry retiring if he got traded to the Hawks, Elson isn't a "veteran", I'd like to see Oberto play in Atlanta, but I don't see that happening, and Barry is just a crappier version of JJ)

*edit*The Jason Terry experiment didn't work for the Hawks the first time, I don't think it'll work the 2nd time. They have their scoring options in JJ and JSmooth, what they need is someone that will pass the ball to JJ and JSmooth so they can do their thing, and be able to hit a jumper if one of them gets double-teamed.

[AFBlue]

well what about scola??? and a few picks??? they can use a low post scorer..i just dont see marvin williams ever being a good power forward in the nba...hawks really have to realize they cant keep all of those wing players..but like i said i want salim stoudamire...he shouldnt be to hard to get

This is not a knock on Scola because he is a talented low-post scorer, but the Hawks have enough guys that can play the PF role and not enough guys that can pull of Center.

As much as I think he's a role player and not a future star, I wouldn't mind seeing Joakim Noah in a Hawks uni. He brings interior toughness and an edge to a team looking for iden y and defense.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

The guy I keep coming back to in my head is Marcus Camby, but I just can't see what the package would be for him...

exactly

He doesnt have a low post game but his rebounding, interior defense and veteran leadership would be HUGE in Atlanta.

Camby for a combo of a pick, childress, wright (exp contract) & Salim S

[coachmac87]

This is not a knock on Scola because he is a talented low-post scorer, but the Hawks have enough guys that can play the PF role and not enough guys that can pull of Center.

As much as I think he's a role player and not a future star, I wouldn't mind seeing Joakim Noah in a Hawks uni. He brings interior toughness and an edge to a team looking for iden y and defense.

who do they have thats a legit pf?? and dont say marvin williams..they have no low post scoring

[AFBlue]

wow dallas would be getting alot...i hope this trade never happens...i like childress..but the only bad thing about dallas is that i dont think devin harris can run the team...actually no there is no way in he can

Oh I didn't say it would be good for the Spurs...I seem to have moved into my Hawkfan mode. I also forgot to include Diop in that little deal, which might even it out some....

On Harris, you pose a legitimate question, but I'm not sure the Mavs are ever really going to see what they have in this kid as long as Terry, and his much larger contract, are there. Plus, having Speedy as a backup (WHERE HE SHOULD BE!) would take alot of the pressure off Devin.

DAMMIT...I'm making arguments FOR the Mavs.

That's it, I'm going to bed...

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Actually, that wont work unless Childress can play SG, but he is more of a SF isnt he?

Ai/JR/Melo/Evans (till kmart gets healthier)\Nene

Blake/Childress/LK/Kmart/11th pick/Najera/Stoudamire - bench

[lordswing]

exactly

He doesnt have a low post game but his rebounding, interior defense and veteran leadership would be HUGE in Atlanta.

Camby for a combo of a pick, childress, wright (exp contract) & Salim S

I like this, minus Salim. You guys can have Shelden, I hate that trash. That'll open up playing time for Marvin, the Hawks can draft my boy Crittenton, and the games that Camby misses won't be so bad, since Zaza can still contribute, as long as Camby's ready in the playoffs.

*edit*Childress can play SG/SF, he rebounds pretty well, and Ds up too. His shot is pretty ugly to watch though, =/ Any guard will do in Denver, they just need to know to pass to AI/Melo tbh

[AFBlue]

who do they have thats a legit pf?? and dont say marvin williams..they have no low post scoring

Perhaps I should've phrased it better...because the only low-post PF they have is Shelden Williams and he was less than impressive (benefit of doubt b/c of injury) last year.

What I meant to say was that the Hawks have a bunch of guys that can play the PF position, but really only one guy that they can slot in at Center...and that's Zaza Pachulia, who's game is more that of a PF.

In other words...they couldn't get away with playing Scola, at 6'9 240, at Center.

[AFBlue]

exactly

He doesnt have a low post game but his rebounding, interior defense and veteran leadership would be HUGE in Atlanta.

Camby for a combo of a pick, childress, wright (exp contract) & Salim S

Doesn't work b/c Wright's contract isn't big enough I don't think. And isn't Blake (who you mention in your next post) a FA?

Here's the re-worked deal...

Camby for Childress, #11, and Claxton

[coachmac87]

well duh..start scola and willams at the center...zaza can rotate with whoever..but every team needs somebody who can score on the blocks..and williams cant even when healthy he is their inside defender and rebounder..i think scola could fit in atlanta

[coachmac87]

and people...there can always be another team involved in the trade..it doesnt have to be only spurs/hawks..u can throw in a team maybe like denver..i think denver could use barry

[lordswing]

Marvin can't play Center, as strong as he is, he'll get destroyed by legitimate centers. Even if Scola fits in Atlanta, you still have to worry about his salary and buyout.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Doesn't work b/c Wright's contract isn't big enough I don't think. And isn't Blake (who you mention in your next post) a FA?

Here's the re-worked deal...

Camby for Childress, #11, and Claxton

Yeh Blake is a FA and i actually think a team will throw too much money at him and Denver wont resign.

[AFBlue]

well duh..start scola and willams at the center...zaza can rotate with whoever..but every team needs somebody who can score on the blocks..and williams cant even when healthy he is their inside defender and rebounder..i think scola could fit in atlanta

Fine, I'll concede Scola could work in Atlanta....but read the posts above and look at what the Hawks could get for #11 and one of their wings.

It's really a moot point anyways, because like Lordswing said, they'll probably stand pat at #3 to draft Horford and take Crittenton at #11.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

and people...there can always be another team involved in the trade..it doesnt have to be only spurs/hawks..u can throw in a team maybe like denver..i think denver could use barry

they sure could. As long as they get the 11th pick and some decent pieces for the bench, then id be happy

Barry would add some good veteran help off the bench. Too many young guys off the bench is painful to watch

[coachmac87]

how about this trade may sound dumb but hey it fits needs for all teams...
atl-camby and butler
den-barry and atl 11 pick or even 3rd
sa-childress and stoudamire

and if not butler maybe elson

[lordswing]

I'm for that trade, from the Hawks POV. They'll get their PG in Crittenton at #11, allows Butler to be their future Center, and Camby/Zaza combo would be pretty good.

I don't see what's in it for Denver though, they don't need another PG, so Conley's out. They'd be down a center, would they get Yi at #3? That would be such a huge dropoff in talent right there. Barry would fit in I guess, since it'd be difficult for teams to double team Melo or AI, while leaving Barry open.

The Spurs get their coveted long 3 in Childress?? I'd rather have Barry than Stoudamire, as Barry knows the system already, and Stoudamire's still pretty raw.

[coachmac87]

I'm for that trade, from the Hawks POV. They'll get their PG in Crittenton at #11, allows Butler to be their future Center, and Camby/Zaza combo would be pretty good.

I don't see what's in it for Denver though, they don't need another PG, so Conley's out. They'd be down a center, would they get Yi at #3? That would be such a huge dropoff in talent right there. Barry would fit in I guess, since it'd be difficult for teams to double team Melo or AI, while leaving Barry open.

The Spurs get their coveted long 3 in Childress?? I'd rather have Barry than Stoudamire, as Barry knows the system already, and Stoudamire's still pretty raw.

no if denver gets the third pick they should take horford...remember they are getting kmart back this season and nene would become thier center...and i like childress and stoudamire would address our back up pg position..and he is one of the best shooters in the league...

[SenorSpur]

Claxton is a MAJOR bust for all the money that he's being paid. Chalk it up as another bad decision by the Billy Knight and the Hawks FO. Their need for a PG got so bad that they traded the #34 pick in one of the deeper drafts in league history to Dallas for Anthony FRIGGIN Johnson. Ahh Billy Knight...

Tyronn Lue has actually been a bright spot for this team. He seems to reach the young guys and provide a scoring punch of the bench....which is why it wouldn't suprise me to see him traded before the draft

Billy Knight should have been fired alone for passing on Chris Paul. Instead, the Hawks "shaky" ownership have allowed him to remain and further compound mistakes by continuously drafting players that play the same position.

[johngateswhiteley]

we aren't getting the #3 pick people....not a chance in the world. i don't think teams would give up a pick in the middle teens (& change) for scola, barry, beno, and our 1st pick...it would get to the point that scola, barry, beno, and our 1st pick would be worth more than what we'd get in return, imo.

[SenorSpur]

we aren't getting the #3 pick people....not a chance in the world. i don't think teams would give up a pick in the middle teens (& change) for scola, barry, beno, and our 1st pick...it would get to the point that scola, barry, beno, and our 1st pick would be worth more than what we'd get in return, imo.

That's is correct. The more likely scenario is the Hawks would be looking to deal their 2nd 1st round pick, which is #11 overall. I doubt the Spurs have enough assets to get this pick, but we are talking about dealing with Hawks GM Billy Knight, so anything is possible.

Any combination of Scola, Barry, Beno and our first round pick (#28 overall) should be enough to at least get a conversation started. The Spurs would be crazy not to at least place a call.

[johngateswhiteley]

That's is correct. The more likely scenario is the Hawks would be looking to deal their 2nd 1st round pick, which is #11 overall. I doubt the Spurs have enough assets to get this pick, but we are talking about dealing with Hawks GM Billy Knight, so anything is possible.

Any combination of Scola, Barry, Beno and our first round pick (#28 overall) should be enough to at least get a conversation started. The Spurs would be crazy not to at least place a call.

whats funny is people acting like Barry is garbage, Barry is a good player and usually solid in games he gets decent time. imo, its hard to defend trading Scola, Barry, Beno, and our 1st pick for anything lower than a #15 pick...problem is getting teams to do it as they always over value their pick.

for the record, along these same lines, i think Durant and Oden will be good players....but if seattle and portland offered their pick for Parker, i'd say no. and i'd feel good about it...."a bird in the hand people....a bird in the hand..."