Not that good? His team has won the division like 5 times in a row? Been to the NFC championship game 4 times? SB once? You say everyone else agress with you now that he's not that good..please tell me who is in your corner?
Hey Ray I tell you what I'd take the McNabb as my QB anytime... oh wait that means I only want him to be good because he's black..
I came from Ireland and fell in love with american football. I watch as many games as possible, and I can tell you that McNabb is not mediocre, far from it.
Rush could have pimped anybody, but he chose a topic that is near and dear to him. Probably the drugs gave him courage to speak his mind.
The words of a drunk man are his thoughts when he's sober.
clam you just want McNabb to succeed because he's black ..
Well......how bout.....
McNabb-ulous: What Donovan, Eagles Can Expect in 2007 Print
Written by Kevan Lee
Scribe
Saturday, 23 June 2007
Donovan McNabb must wake up every morning and ask himself, “How did I get here?”
The Eagles franchise quarterback has been treated like a washed-up retread of late, and it's hard to find a reason for his fall from grace.
After a knee injury ended McNabb's 2006 season, Jeff Garcia quarterbacked the Eagles to a division le and a playoff victory. In the offseason, with Garcia gone to Tampa Bay, the Eagles drafted Houston quarterback Kevin Kolb—which had the national media all but ready to run McNabb out of Philadelphia with pitchforks and lanterns.
Somewhere, Rush Limbaugh is smiling.
Poor Donovan must wonder what it'll take to sate the appe es of his blood-hungry detractors. Three straight championship game appearances didn’t do it. Neither did a trip to the Super Bowl. Year-in and year-out, McNabb is forced to "prove" himself—and 2007 will be no different.
Donovan McNabb is the Philadelphia Eagles, whether the team likes it or not...and apparently they don't. Regardless, the Eagles’ hopes in the upcoming season rest squarely on the quarterback's ability to show that he isn't finished in Philly.
And rest assured—he's not.
Expect 2007 to serve as Exhibit A that McNabb has more than a little left in the tank. He understands the Andy Reid offense better than anyone, and he knows how to effectively captain the team. He's a leader on the field and in the locker room. He makes his teammates better.
There is, in the end, nothing more beautiful than a McNabb touchdown bomb—and nothing more awkward than his Michael Jackson touchdown dance.
A return to form after a season-ending injury shouldn't be too tall an order for McNabb, especially given his successful recoveries in years past. More importantly, he's taking over an offense that's firing on more cylinders than at any point since Terrell Owens' departure.
If anything, their late-season success under Garcia gave the Eagles O a badly-needed shot of confidence.
Brian Westbrook enjoyed one of his finest seasons, showing up in big moments with timely touchdown runs and proving his versatility as a receiver out of the backfield. As always, the biggest concern about Westbrook is durability—but he's coming off a full year of health, and rookie Tony Hunt out of Penn State should provide some bruising relief when Westbrook needs it.
Wide receiver Reggie Brown also blossomed last year and should continue to flourish with McNabb at quarterback. Kevin Curtis is too white to replace Donté Stallworth—but he'll at least stay on the field more than his predecessor, and could conjure images of James Thrash.
Though the Eagles’ receiving corps may never be spectacular, it's more than enough for McNabb to work with.
The offensive line, meanwhile, has jelled into one of the finest units in the game. The big guys up front range from downright scary (Shawn Andrews and Jamaal Jackson) to downright hairy (Jon Runyan). No team in the NFC East can match their size, strength, and power—and when this group gets going, Eagles running backs are nearly impossible to stop.
Speaking of not stopping the run, the Philly defense will continue to struggle up front. The unit that played like a turnstile last year has been further weakened with the loss of Darwin Walker. On a team built for postseason success, this glaring weakness is troubling.
Fortunately, the team’s linebacking corps got a boost from the addition of Takeo es, and the secondary should remain dominant so long as Brian Dawkins is flexing his muscles (literally) at safety.
The bottom line: The Philadelphia Eagles have a chance to be very good in 2007. The offense will be as strong as ever, and if defensive coordinator Jim Johnson can find a way to patch the holes in the run defense, Philly will be the team to beat in the NFC East..if not all of the NFC.
Donovan McNabb might still be asking himself, “How did I get here?”...but if things go right, he may just be referring to the Super Bowl.
Projected finish: 10-6, 1st in NFC East
Keep your eyes on: OG Shawn Andrews—quickly becoming one of the NFL’s best guards.
Take your eyes off: DT Brodrick Bunkley—quickly becoming a regular at Carl’s Jr.
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Where did he fall from Ray? I thought you and hush said he sucked?The Eagles franchise quarterback has been treated like a washed-up retread of late, and it's hard to find a reason for his fall from grace.
You realize that all of the questions are surrounding his 2006 knee injury ray don't you? Find an article from 2000 to 2006 when he was healthy to justify your claim.. earth to Ray football players abilities decline with age as do all athletes..but this has nothing to do with your hero's baseless claims that got him fired from ESPN
Thats hilarious ray. McNabb was injured. Philly and NY media love to stir up football stew. You are a sponge that absorbs stupid.
Let's review: McNabb, he said, is "overrated ... what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback can do well—black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well."
"There's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."
Let's take the football stuff first. For the four seasons prior to the comment, the Philadelphia Eagles have had one of the best defenses in the National Football League and had failed to make it to the Super Bowl primarily because of an ineffective offense—an offense run by Donovan McNabb. McNabb was a great college quarterback, in my estimation one of the best of the '90s while at Syracuse. He is one of the most talented athletes in the NFL, but that talent has not translated into greatness as a pro quarterback.
McNabb started for the Eagles beginning in the 2000 season. In that time, the Eagles offense never ranked higher than 10th in the league in yards gained. In fact, their 10th-place rank in 2002 was easily their best; in their two previous seasons, they were 17th in a 32-team league. They ranked 31st at the time of Limbaugh's comment in 2003.
In contrast, the Eagles defense in those four seasons never ranked lower than 10th in yards allowed. In 2001, they were seventh; in 2002 they were fourth; and in 2003, when the comment was made, fifth. It shouldn't take a football Einstein to see that the Eagles' strength over the preceding few seasons had been on defense, and Limbaugh is no football Einstein, which is probably why he spotted it.
The news that the Eagles defense has "carried" them over that period should be neither surprising nor controversial to anyone with access to simple NFL statistics—or for that matter, with access to a television. Yet, McNabb had received an overwhelming share of media attention and thus the credit. Now why was that?
Let's look at a quarterback with similar numbers who also played for a team with a great defense. I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson one of the best quarterbacks in pro football—which is how McNabb was often referred to. In fact, I don't know anyone who would call Brad Johnson, on the evidence of his 10-year NFL career, much more than mediocre. Yet, Johnson's NFL career passer rating, as of the Sunday after Limbaugh's comment, was 7.3 points higher than McNabb's (84.8 to 77.5), he had completed his passes at a higher rate (61.8 percent to 56.4 percent), and had averaged significantly more yards per pass (6.84 to 5.91). McNabb excelled in just one area, running, where he had gained 2,040 yards and scored 14 touchdowns to Johnson's 467 and seven. But McNabb had also been sacked more frequently than Johnson—more than once, on average, per game, which negated much of the rushing advantage.
In other words, in just about every way, Brad Johnson had been a more effective quarterback than McNabb and over a longer period.
And even if you say the stats don't matter and that a quarterback's job is to win games, Johnson comes out ahead. Johnson had something McNabb didn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs trounced McNabb's Eagles in 2002' NFC championship game by a score of 27-10. The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL that year. When they played in the championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.
In terms of performance, many NFL quarterbacks should have been ranked ahead of McNabb. But McNabb has represented something special to all of us since he started his first game in the NFL, and we all know what that is. He's black.
Limbaugh was excoriated for making race an issue in the NFL. This is hypocrisy. I don't know of a football writer who didn't regard the dearth of black NFL quarterbacks as one of the most important issues in the late '80s and early '90s. (The topic really caught fire after 1988, when Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins became the first black quarterback to win a Super Bowl.)
To that point, no black quarterback had been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players were, and still are, black. To pretend that many people didn't want McNabb to be the best quarterback in the NFL because he's black is absurd. To say that people shouldn't root for a quarterback to win because he's black -- and breaking a race barrier -- is every bit as nonsensical as to say that we shouldn't have rooted for Jackie Robinson to succeed because he was black.
Consequently, it is equally absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black. Instead of calling him overrated, many sports writers wish they could be admiring his Super Bowl rings. But the truth is that many fans and sportswriters chose for the few years, preceding Limbaugh's comment, to see McNabb as a better player than he has been because they wanted him to be...because he was black.
Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media had overrated McNabb because he is black, and Limbaugh was right. He didn't say anything that he shouldn't have said, and in fact he said things that other commentators should have been saying for some time.
If ESPN didn't hire Rush Limbaugh to say things like that, what did they hire him for? To talk about the prevent defense?
Last edited by Yonivore; 06-25-2007 at 11:11 AM.
Care to go back and look at McNabb's individual stats for the 2000 to 2003 seasons.
Face it. They were a defensive team. The offense sucked -- in large part because of McNabb.
In case you were wondering, Yoni the lying hypocrite plagiarized that from slate.com.
Doesn't matter. This thread coupled with the "risk of suffering" thread seems to have established his feelings.
Just the idea of protecting someone like Rush is comical. It's indicative of how far they've fallen.
Since Yoni passes off Allen Barra's thoughts as his own, he must also agree with his book review:
Douglas Brinkley's epic account of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath stops short of laying blame where it belongs: On President Bush.
Okay, dissect Rush's comment for me and tell me how it is racist.
Oh, and SpunkChomper, I plagiarized the piece from Slate -- Not exactly your bastion of Conservation or Racist thought.
Plus, the stats on McNabb from 2000-2003 speak for themselves. He was a mediocre quarterback getting a big boost from the media because he is black.
I just said you did, asshole. Thanks for confessing after you were nailed again.I plagiarized the piece from Slate
I said it might be the drugs that gave him courage to speak his true feelings. What's your excuse?
And nothing to back that up... just Yoni's opinion.. as to the reason why he ws propped up. of course some of the writers he critcized came back and denied everything he proclaimed. Instead of actually believing the actual reporters Yoni chooses to stick with Hush..He was a mediocre quarterback getting a big boost from the media because he is black.[/
Internets anonymity.
Limbaugh aside, I don't like the idea of the government dictating media content. Should that extend to print media? online media? Will the government start regulating bloggers? F that.
Damn, you ask a question, I gave you an answer. I amWhere did he fall from Ray? I thought you and hush said he sucked?
You realize that all of the questions are surrounding his 2006 knee injury ray don't you? Find an article from 2000 to 2006 when he was healthy to justify your claim.. earth to Ray football players abilities decline with age as do all athletes..but this has nothing to do with your hero's baseless claims that got him fired from ESPN
not particularly impressed with McNabb nor any
number of other QB's. And Rush didn't say he sucked
he said the media was putting McNabb on a
pedestal and building him as a "great" QB, which he
isn't, because he was black. It was a statement
against the press not McNabb or his race. Give me
a break.
He was called out on it and rightfully so. Lush's mistake was that normally he makes unfounded accusations against people who can't defend themselves. This time he picked on people who have the platform to call him on it..they did and he slid back under his rock.
That could very well happen. I heard something on the
radio this morning about the Supreme Court ruled about
the election laws.
So maybe someone is starting to pay attention to all
the laws that have been passed silencing the voice of
the people. Thank God that the Internet came along as
well as places like this where people can exchange
views. One think I could never understand is why
anyone would put anyone on ignore. You don't agree,
so what! Put your two cents in. I do....so I go on
ignore for some folks.....
What are you talking about? The piece I pilfered gave statistics and rationale dating back to McNabb's inaugural season with the Eagles to show that he was, at best, a mediocre quarterback enjoying a fawning press simply because he was black.
Oh yeah, the author is an "actual reporter."
He got fired, he didn't slide anywhere...he didn't change his opinion either.
Oh, and who did he pick on that called him on it? Oh yeah, the press.
a mediocre quarterback enjoying a fawning press simply because he was black.
that is your opinion Yoni..
Is it normal for these threads to get sidetracked so easily?
Wasn't this about the Fairness Doctrine?
How does McNabb fit into that angle?
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